So should I switch to APR, or stay put just in case they had something to do with the motor blowing?
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Exactly.
Heatsoak = power loss
What are the top 10 reasons that engines blow? Is heat one of them, or not?
Also, how do we know there wasn’t an operator error that one time a revo motor blew and no one got a photo of it or a real story? I just want to understand why we assume this is a shifting problem when allegedly the event did not occur during a shift.
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Fortunately I have a photo of my 325i coming out of Turn 11 [Bridge Straight on the map] to illustrate for you all. Apparently this low speed hook blows a 3.0TFSI when running APR Stage 2 and not much else.
Or if we take the account from the Facebook post:
[quote]Watched this car crap the bed on the track. It was tragic to behold. Came out of turn 10 onto the straight and in a flash just popped into a massive cloud of hissing smoke & steam until safely off the track. Such a bummer.
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So that would put him on the main circuit instead of the Shenandoah.
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Here’s what that looks like, from the westwest888 archives (notice the waving checkered flag):
Some good points and questions. But stack the facts.
There have been on 100% stock 3.0tfsi motor failures.
There have been based off only the forums about 20 to 1 apr tunes to say revo tunes
We have only seen or heard of 1 issues with an apr motor going boom on the 3.0. Now the same people saying this APR tuned car blowing the motor has nothing to do with the APR tune are also the same people saying the APR tuned supercharged rs4 was 100% APR’S fault. So I would say nobody is going to say they aren’t critical of APR when needed.
Revo has blown more then 1 RS4 motor on the dyno in the past and at least 1 3.0t motor that called for revo to completely revamp there tuning. The questions about revo and blown motors is from revo s past history. Maybe today revo tuning is different but people are talking about the documented unsafe revo tunes.
As for the CPS not being upgraded. The coolant system won’t keep the car from over heating. That will happen no latter what you do of you drive long and hard enough. The boost cooling system just makes it take longer before you get heat soaked it doesn’t prevent hest soaking.
Just some thoughts.
Also, in regard to the Revo failures, weren’t logs showing significant cylinder 6 knock on multiple cars?
So far as I’m aware, we have yet to see any APR logs showing those issues.
Yes that’s part of what I was wanting to get across. People have proof that revo pushed the car into unsafe conditions vs what say APR was doing.
If the revo tune was so safe why did they have a massive return that got done.
Anyways one company has a bad history backed up by major failure in more then one platform. That’s revo. APR has recently made some terrible tunes with there new cowboy style tuning that has shown to be very unsafe and untested. This B8 S4 tune isn’t one of those tunes.
I take it you’re talking about their massive failure with the tvs1740?
Normally what would happen is the engine would go into a limp mode before exploding. I don’t think any of these tuned cars have a limp mode, like OEM does.
Huh? You can’t make this stuff up!
Pretty sure they remove low oil warning as well.
If that is true you have a real point. I don’t know what it takes to put a B8 S4 into limp mode or of that’s even possible on the OEM tune with too high intake temps. The thing that also makes this debate hard to have is maybe there wasn’t anything going on that would require the car to go into limp mode regardless of tune. It could have been a failure that would have happened tuned or not.
Apr is usually trying to figure out why the engine is going into limp mode when is not supposed to. The only thing they override is the emissions cel if you are catless.
You’ve not been in a car that has gone into limp mode? I’m afraid you know nothing about running cars hard. I’ve been able to trigger a limp mode on a V8 S5 and a BMW 335i sedan.
My car went into limp mode when my water pump failed. Can I join the “running cars hard” club?
I agree. My post was more perspective then anything. Can a stock B8 S4 go into limp mode for too hot intake temps or would it just request less boost.
Well a BMW will go into limp mode if you shut the door hard enough… lol. Jk
The question is why did each car go into limp mode and how did you come to the conclusion that was why.
Generally it’s my experience that a properly running car shouldn’t ever see limp mode. I get your point you can push most cars to failure or the limits but lost cars should be able to take lots of track time and not get limp mode. There should be plenty of fresh air to keep the motor warm and keep the coolant under control.
I don’t think anyone cares what tune you run on your car.
Hey shitforbrains. I never once said the 911 PDK is the same as the audi DSG. Your dumbness is fucking frustrating.
I will say this once more.
You said ‘PDK is AMAZING, dsg is SHIT.’
A number of people showed you that PDK = dsg in some cases. Showing what a tard you are.
That’s it. Now you’re educated. And shitting on the macan to save face.
You add zero value, argue without any knowledge base and basically make the place worse. And you’re dumb as a fucking rock.
I will be sure to set my alarm each day to remind me to spite you into oblivion.
I don’t ever really have to insult anyone to share information or ideas about cars. But thanks for filling up my thread with information about SUV’s.
Saying APR didn’t blow this motor is like denying climate change. You can make the argument but why would you?