Hey, Sak, no worries, just don’t forget to shut that window when you get down to business.
Ha, saw one of these today… Right on cedar springs, in my hood…P85+
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/u3aza2eq.jpg
Figured I’d make a picture. Buddy thought I was giving him the thumbs up then quickly turned away LOL
Very nice. I stopped posting pics since there are literally sightings on a daily basis.
I was online yesterday having a look doing some research into the company. There’s the 85 and the performance edition that have the same range, but very different performance stats. Wonder if there’s an easy way to adjust that. They want like $10,000 for the upgrade but I’m not sure if that comes with some stuff.
p.s. stop biting your nails
Drove a P85 and from what I understand its actually a mechanical component or the way the electricity is transferred into the motor that differs from the 85 to the P85.
I have to say I was nothing short of impressed with the Tesla. The car is fast as hell, all the bells and whistles that are offered with it are amazing and frankly the car is quite sexy. The only thing that I feel could have been improved on is the seats.
The one thing that sucks royally being in BC is that yes there is a $5000 incentive at PoP to buy the car but that is essentially killed because the morons voted out the HST and we now have a luxury tax on cars over 65k so instead of 12% you are paying 15%. Also with the federal government being complete morons and hitting this with a 6.1% import duty because the US content isn’t enough on the car we see a big price jump from the US pricing.
Washington state gets a $7500 incentive PLUS no sales tax for EV purchases. Plus the finance scheme that is set up in the US is pretty nice as well.
I hear you on this, out here its tough to find as is, and it sits at about 20 bucks a gallon for MS109.
I was considering finding a source in the US that would ship a barrel of Shell URT to my US address and then import it myself but this has not proven easy.
I think we are paying about 7 bucks a gallon for 94 octane now out here.
We get $8500 incentive. Fucking stupid frankly. It should be $0
Ha I’m so flattered you noticed, I cut my nails today. Sorry no time for a mani Sak. My daughter needs help with biting her nails, maybe ill put you on her case, you seem tenacious enough.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/20/5amydypy.jpg
The 85 vs the P85 (performance) is substantial, the interior is much nicer in the P85 (nappa leather, etc)…but the biggest change is the more powerful motor. There’s nothing there you can upgrade through ‘firmware’. I think they’ve done low 13s in the normal 85, still…
Then the P85 plus is the final option, gives you the stiffer bushings, dampers and sways, wider rims/offset. If someone came out with coilovers it would be a better option, but for $6500 it’s comparable I guess to other luxury brands.
HRE put wheels on this one. Wow.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/20/a5ujuheh.jpg
Holy crap that is gorgeous.
That is a great looking car!
If I could get my gas reimbursement added to my vehicle allowance this would be a serious option for my next vehicle…
(If you look at the price, and anticipated depreciation (which is a total crapshoot) net of the govt’ reimbursement, it looks like a pretty interesting scenario to price out.
They’re being taken to task for their marketing…claiming it will only cost $200 a month to drive one net of depreciation and gov’t money. That’s a bit aggressive. The lawsuits should be plentiful if depreciation turns out to be just like normal luxury cars.
Compared to most of the other luxury cars on the market these seem to be holding their value it the moment. I can assume that is attributed to the cache surrounding the brand and the fact that they are the only electric car in the market that can actually stand up to a gas car.
Was hearing about GM claiming they are working on a 200 mile EV that will be priced in the 30k dollar range. It may get some traction but I believe that one of the biggest things that tesla has and no one else has is their supercharger network. basically 40-60 minutes for a full charge that keeps falling (something about getting it down to 10 minutes) or a battery exchange is what makes these cars quite practical compared to other EV’s that can take up to 14 hours to get a full charge (and only get 80 miles).
With an AWD model in pipes, an SUV and the next gen model that will be priced at around 40k and also the company working on a new hybrid battery system that will increase range by 40% PLUS the driveline agreements with Daimler and Toyota to supply units for thier EV’s the sky is seemingly the limit for Elon and Tesla.
Even Mercedes proudly touted their new Electric B-Class as having “Tesla inside”.
resale in 2012-2013 is awesome because htey had produced like 17 cars. However when you look in 2 years after they’ve been in full production I think it will be less fantastic.
It’s like when the R8 came out…you could sell a used one in 2008 for more than they were new. Now that there are a few years of production, those guys who bought them in 2009 thinking they could pull a fast one are seeing depreciation to the tune of about $30,000-50,000 over 4 years. Still pretty good for an R8, but nothing like the early days of 0 depreciation for 12 months.
Ha, saw one of these today… Right on cedar springs, in my hood…P85+
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/u3aza2eq.jpg
Figured I’d make a picture. Buddy thought I was giving him the thumbs up then quickly turned away LOL
Dollar-wise, anyone looking at a S7, 550i, cls550 would be ahead with a P85 after 100,000 km. This is assuming oil stays the same the next 5 years…ummmm yeah.
Ill post the picture again, but it’s pretty neat…so few moving parts, all big modules that are easily swapped. Battery pack is protected very very well with the algorithms such that it can’t be over-depleted or overheated, and an 8-year warranty. And replaced very very easily. I’d worry a lot more about a 100,000 km turbo Audi or AMG motor.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/20/tu8a5y8y.jpg
Very nice. I stopped posting pics since there are literally sightings on a daily basis.
I was online yesterday having a look doing some research into the company. There’s the 85 and the performance edition that have the same range, but very different performance stats. Wonder if there’s an easy way to adjust that. They want like $10,000 for the upgrade but I’m not sure if that comes with some stuff.
p.s. stop biting your nails
That’s also assuming that
a) someone drives 30,000 kms per year
b) depreciation on the Tesla is dramatically less than market, as it has been in it’s first 2 years…and that honeymoon continues
Those two things are not realistic. In fact b) is a bit foolish to bank on.
Driving an S6 and averaging 18 MPG for 12,000 miles per year (it’s better but I’m appeasing you), you’re looking at $2666 / year with $4 gallon oil and over 5 years that’s less than $13,000. So…advantage $13,000 to Tesla right? Wrong.
The Tesla owner, while being allowed to leave his local area, would spend what exactly on power to ‘fill up’ ? They have to do so around 300 times to go 60,000 miles over 5 years at 200 miles per charge. That costs about $10-12 per charge depending where you live. More in some places. That’s $3000-3600. So the advantage is only about $10,000 now. Last time I checked, my hydro bill keeps going up, and the costs of delivery are going up even quicker than the price of oil. You can’t forget that oil has gone from $29 to $100 in the last 4 years, but before that it went from $150 to 29 in 3 years. And from $70 to 100 today in 10 years. It’s not a runaway train. The irony in your oil comment is that the hydro bill you and I receive is driven primarily by fossil fuel power. Also, oil will move ahead if the economy moves ahead. I haven’t seen too many signs of that happening, especially when the fastest growing economy of size, China, is slowing dramatically.
How are you ‘ahead’ in the Tesla vs. the Germans you listed? The only thing the Tesla is ‘ahead’ in is thinking ahead on how to charge the thing if they want to go anywhere. Or thinking ahead to the phone number for Enterprise Rent A Car if they want to leave town for a weekend.
Full charge on a 85KWh battery back is around 3-6 bucks if you are charging at home (depending on your utility)
All cars above the 60KWh battery supercharging is included in the purchase price and to demonstrate range capabilities of the car and the supercharger network he will be driving one across the continent. Supercharger network is free for however long the car is in existence.
By 2015 all the red dots will be active supercharger stations…
http://www.teslamotors.com/tesla_theme/supercharger/images/supercharger-map_06-2015.jpg?20130912
For me as a canadian aside from the fact that one has to make their own financing arrangements, the fact is that the payment for the tesla on a standard finance setup is roughly 13-1500 a month. I pay 1200 a month taxes in for my S4 so jumping to a tesla is not a huge difference. Taking into consideration that I would buy 3-4 tanks of gas a month at about 100 bucks the tesla is a pretty decent option all things considered. If one was coming from a camry to a tesla that would be a different story. If you are already in the E class, Audi S4/A6, BMW 5er payment range it makes sense to consider it as an option.
Interesting listening to analysts at bloomberg shit all over tesla because BMW and Audi are coming to market with EV’s but the one thing that they don’t have now is the fast charging technology that Tesla does have and the network to back it up. Also the i8’s electric range is a joke at 25-35km and can only go up to 120kph in E mode. Just to point out as well the tesla is a faster car.
I think down the road if tesla starts to forge more tech partnerships we will start to see other manufacturers gaining access to their supercharger network. I would assume Mercedes would be the most likely partner on that front.
Drove a P85 and from what I understand its actually a mechanical component or the way the electricity is transferred into the motor that differs from the 85 to the P85.
I have to say I was nothing short of impressed with the Tesla. The car is fast as hell, all the bells and whistles that are offered with it are amazing and frankly the car is quite sexy. The only thing that I feel could have been improved on is the seats.
The one thing that sucks royally being in BC is that yes there is a $5000 incentive at PoP to buy the car but that is essentially killed because the morons voted out the HST and we now have a luxury tax on cars over 65k so instead of 12% you are paying 15%. Also with the federal government being complete morons and hitting this with a 6.1% import duty because the US content isn’t enough on the car we see a big price jump from the US pricing.
Washington state gets a $7500 incentive PLUS no sales tax for EV purchases. Plus the finance scheme that is set up in the US is pretty nice as well.
I hear you on this, out here its tough to find as is, and it sits at about 20 bucks a gallon for MS109.
I was considering finding a source in the US that would ship a barrel of Shell URT to my US address and then import it myself but this has not proven easy.
I think we are paying about 7 bucks a gallon for 94 octane now out here.
We get $8500 incentive. Fucking stupid frankly. It should be $0
Ha I’m so flattered you noticed, I cut my nails today. Sorry no time for a mani Sak. My daughter needs help with biting her nails, maybe ill put you on her case, you seem tenacious enough.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/20/5amydypy.jpg
The 85 vs the P85 (performance) is substantial, the interior is much nicer in the P85 (nappa leather, etc)…but the biggest change is the more powerful motor. There’s nothing there you can upgrade through ‘firmware’. I think they’ve done low 13s in the normal 85, still…
Then the P85 plus is the final option, gives you the stiffer bushings, dampers and sways, wider rims/offset. If someone came out with coilovers it would be a better option, but for $6500 it’s comparable I guess to other luxury brands.
HRE put wheels on this one. Wow.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/20/a5ujuheh.jpg
Holy crap that is gorgeous.