Saw this on audizoo, and I’m a bit disappointed it wasn’t posted up here since both guys are members.
[QUOTE=NY07RS4]Well the owner of the B8 was in 3rd gear (I thought he was in 2nd like us) when we did the pull. We wen’t from around 30ish mph to 130+ and he never left me. I had a touch less than half a tank. I think he had a half of a tank. I had nothing extra in the trunk. He did have a bunch of stuff, mainly the other RS4’s junk so the two rs’s would be more even when doing the pulls. I weigh 220 he I’d assume wieghs less. I’m not positive on all his mods but I think he has APR V2 tune and AWE exhaust - don’t quote me I’m not positive. I think the B8 owner also said he hit a rev limiter at some point. When I shifted from 4th to 5th we didn’t stay on it for more than a second and then let off. I was surprised we stayed even because this B8 has crushed my 60-130 time pretty significantly. It was fun to see how we compared.
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[QUOTE=tsivas27]Paul it was a handicapped race of sorts for me [;)]. IIRC started in 3rd and kept slowing down in speed before we actually went… but I did hear third gear on my handheld radio- then again it wasn’t working that good…granny shifted into fourth and i just bumped off limiter and stayed in fourth (~128) on shutdown. This is after you guys did about 10 pulls and had your cars nice and adapted vs me driving around for 30 mins cruising at 60mph spotting you two in Comfort mode lol.
Good news is my third gear pulls almost as good as you two in second [:D] And I did manage to get ahead of both of you even with a crappy start.
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Looking at the numbers, the B8, at 35 MPH in third is at around 2450 RPM, meaning it has about 4550 RPM to go till redline. The B8 makes 95% of its peak torque at 1500 RPM for the most part, so I’m not sold on the fact this was way out of his powerband…it’s not a big turbo 4 cyl that waits for boost till 5500 rpm. It’s a TVS supercharged 3.0 V6…and it pulls hard from that spot (and every spot) on the RPM curve.
The RS4 at 35 mph in second is at about 4100 RPM, meaning it has about 4100 RPM to go till redline. This is not optimal for the RS4 as we all know, so again not sure why the B8 owner is pointing at this as a big advantage.
Further, if the B8 WERE to start in second gear, it would only mean he was starting at 3500 RPM with 3500 RPM to go till redline so not drastically different. Instead he lived with third gear for a little while longer and saved himself having to shift from 2nd to 3rd, which is the hardest shift on these 6 speed cars in a dragrace. Since he has admitted that he shifts like a grandmother, being in third gear would have saved him a 0.5 second or so gear change where he is off throttle.
Let’s not forget that , especially on a cold night in a stock tune RS4 att 4100 RPM, his RS4 is limited to 52% throttle by the stock tune until about 5500 RPM where it allows him to go full throttle. A protectionary torque limiter means he is limping along waiting for his power.
The B8 S4 in question is stage 2 APR V2, (so no restrictions) and dynod something like 380 WHP I believe with this setup. At 2450 RPM in third gear he is making FAR more torque and horsepower than a stock tune RS4 so he should be crushing the B7, not making excuses about being in the wrong gear.
Finally the B8 owner said the RS4 just did about 10 pulls, thus was ‘adapted’ and claimed this was an advantage vs. the cool B8. The RS4 would actually be heatsoaked to FUCK…which is a HUGE advantage for the B8 S4 owner.
Again…I don’t buy the theory that this 3rd gear start was bad or any of this other stuff. Just someone who was not happy about a result is what it is looking like.
MAN UP TSIVAS! lol
You guys should race from a dig. The RS4 4.11 gears really help it get rocking and I reckon it would be a shock to the B8 S4 owner. Most B8 S4 owners trash the RS4 without knowing anything about it other than ‘it’s not FI so it is not tuneable’ (lol). It would be a good wakeup call for many of them for us to get some pulls done.
