It just doesn't work: Tesla

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#746

yeah I think so. They have kinda reached the max for now. There are much faster ele cars out there. The rimac the NIO EP9 still the battery limits are no different than the fuel limits in say rocket science the more power you need more fuel. Same is true with battery power. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

For those that live in the fantasy land of battery tech. Just take a look at the periodic table. no place left to go and lithium isn’t cheap or super easy.

The fantasy of nothing else being close in acceleration not only isn’t true its just the talking point of the battery hype.

As someone that is of level head. I have been in S P100D with ludicrous mode. Its fast for sure. no doubt. Fun fast and enjoyable… But that’s it… no more power to be had… no adding parts to help it be faster that’s as fast as it gets. Keep in mind. Its super fast… is it as fast as say a Newer hopped up sports car with say bolt ons… its faster than some but its more mid of the pack.

10 second cars are more the norm now than ever. So again. There is lots of excitement but its not like the cars are doing things gas cars can’t do.

Get the tree huggers that are actually causing issues with the environment out of the way. Put up a couple new nuclear power plants and then maybe I would have a different out look. But again from a partial non partisan out looks.

The math is simple. to push the limits of battery tech there are going to be the same restraints as with any power source. The tipping point came much quicker. There are lots of new great options for batt tech but the price is astronomical.

#747

[quote=“justincredible,post:746,topic:7706”]
LOL - your reading comprehension ain’t so great, huh??

I said the Tesla roadster would offer untouchable performance for the price. The Rimac Concept Two is $2.1 million!! In other words, nearly 10x the price of the Tesla Roadster. Is it faster? Who knows, but it damn sure better be for that $$$$$$$!!

The Nio EP9 is “only” $1.2 million, but has a 245 mile maximum range, so less than 50% of the range of the Tesla Roadster for nearly 5x the price. Its listed 0-60 mph time is 2.7 seconds, or almost a second slower than the Roadster. Sure, it will go around a racetrack faster, but the Roadster isn’t intended to be a racecar.

Finally, please name an ICE engined NEW car with a manufacturer’s warranty that costs <$250K and will run an 8.8 second quarter mile.

#748

Perhaps you have some odd mental disorder. 1. I wasn’t 1 talking to you and 2 your arguing your own point. I wasn’t even making a price statement. I was saying there are seriously fast ele cars out there faster than just tesla… so maybe you have a mental or reading disorder.

To further dig into your mental issues. Lets look at the quote you posted.

[quote=“justincredible,post:746,topic:7706”]
Ahhh ok. So show me where today at this point there is a tesla that anyone can go pick up right now that is faster than whats currently available…oh shit that’s right…there isn’t one… Your going down the but but but but maybe when this thing might happen happens maybe rabbit hole.

and again. the second part of the statement. lets say you want to prop up the non existent 250k 8.8 super ele car… ok… how many 8.8 second petrol cars do you want for me to post. because the statement said its not like ele cars are doing things ICE cars can’t do. there are 8 second pump gas cars all day long and you can build them for under 20k not 250k…

I get that in the begging most ELE car guys suffer from the syndrome of new tech. I’ve been around ele cars and ele tech for a while. Lots of great stuff happening but its a bigger picture than most play it up to be. I drove a hybrid Lexus just recently while it was not incredibly fast it showed it self to be better than just a plain ele car and in some ways better than just a ICE car.

If you need to live under the bible of ele cars are the best thing ever. Do your thing. perhaps maybe take a deep breath when I post a bit of common sense sanity and maybe think for a second. Its just a view of reality in the large scale.

#749

I’m not sure whether you’re just being intentionally obtuse or if you actually suffer from a reading comprehension disorder…

Please name 1 NEW electric car that’s quicker than a P100D at anything close to its price… Hint: there aren’t any. (Million+ dollar vaporware Hypercars don’t count)

Please name 1 NEW (unmodified, straight off the showroom floor) ICE car that will run a sub-9 second 1/4 mile.
Hint part 2: there aren’t any now, and there likely never will be.

#750

I’m not sure the part where I mentioned I wasn’t even talking to you or your talking points made sense or not.

So I can try typing slower. But not sure It will work… I… wasn’t talking to you… or even addressing you or your conversation. I was responding to bigserve134 and made a talking point off his question…

But since I was making a point. The point was there are cars faster than the tesla… You went on about price and color and wheel size or whatever made up category you care about.

Again I’m sure whatever disorder you have limits your ability to read. Here is my actual quote again.

[quote]yeah I think so. They have kinda reached the max for now. There are much faster ele cars out there. The rimac the NIO EP9 still the battery limits are no different than the fuel limits in say rocket science the more power you need more fuel. Same is true with battery power. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
[/quote]
I wasn’t talking about price. I was making a point. That there are faster electronic cars because there are… You mentioned the price… I didn’t again I wasn’t even talking to you…

Bust since you made up odd requests. Show me the the new off the showroom floor tesla that you can go pick up today that runs sub - 9s… oh gues what… I’ll give you a hint… there aren’t any…when there are come back until them its vaporware like what seems to be most of your argument.

I’m not here to piss on your ele car party. maybe common sense isn’t something you want to hear or be aware of. The faster cars than tesla wasn’t a dig it was a point on how ele cars are possible. As the question was do I think the roadster was the end of the road for teslas current tech… the answer. The current yes but only current for tesla not for all ele cars.

Not sure where your rage came from. Honestly I don’t even think you took the time to really read what I said. Again I enjoy fast cars. IF they are powered by a windmill I’ll probably think its kinda cool as long as the wind is blowing. I still think steam cars are a really fun idea and something that maybe would be useful again with current tech.

Again I’m not bashing. I’m non partisan but I am a realist I found that that isn’t always popular when people need to see things though just one perspective lens.

#751

LOL.

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#752

[quote=“zcd1,post:740,topic:7706”]

+1 on best performance car for the money. Really, it’s the best performance sedan in the world. There is no competition.

Regarding the recent 5% power update, I’d say it feels more significant than any tune I ever applied to my Audi. The car was no slouch before and it rearranges your guts even more now. At 20% throttle it’s faster than any gasoline car on the planet. It’s disgusting.

Meanwhile, the failing VW group can’t even make 1 e-tron a day. They’re shutting down. The Mission-E is just a Panamera with a larger pack. It’s looking bleak over there.

http://brusselstimes.com/brussels/15017/battery-shortage-forces-audi-brussels-to-slow-down-production

#753

[quote=“zcd1,post:745,topic:7706”]

The only improvement could be discharge batteries faster for more power right…however that comes at the risk of a big BOOOOM.

I forgot about those Rimacs. You know someone will put those head to head when / if the tesla roadster is released to the public.

That’s true, with a simple tune the RS3/TT-RS are 10 sec cars…upgrade turbos and now 9 sec cars! It’s pretty nutty. But how much better would they be if they were true hybrids given that they are as fast as P3D stock. Combine that initial electric torque with that audi straight 5 !

It’s weird how cultish Tesla owners are in general; if youre not with them youre against them. If Saki were still around I wonder how his demeanor would be lol.

RS3 direct competitor of the P3D. I think all manufacturers should be able to update their cars like Tesla is in the 21st century. Tesla has the market cornered hoarding the battery metals lol.

#754

Youre still clearly missing it. Not only was I not directing my comments to you. You were carring on about a point I Wasn’t even making. So sure you can comment all you want but try keeping up with the ACTUAL conversation…

#755

Yeah I liken the TESLA owners to a kidnapping or perhaps even some of the Apple phone cult. They try to over compensate for how shit somethings are by just being ignorant or blind. " ITS THE BEST ITS THE BEST" HUH… really its not getting that same review from everywhere. There isn’t extreme brand loyalty. in other words. You bought a used TESLA and that means someone didn’t like it enough to keep it.

ITS THE Best seems to not mean the actual best but a shadow version of tunnel vision. Its always great to see joyous owners but its a lot better to see people that enjoy the cars and can be actually open minded and give you real world perspective on all sides. Good and bad. Seems that’s lacking with a lot of TESLA guys. Maybe its the radiation from the batteries or something.

Again the new breed will probably be hybrid as the ICE motors have lots of advantanges and the ELE motors have a lot to offer. Bllend them and your good. Looks like the next gen RS7 will be doing this. that’s where the future is or so it seems.

#756

ROFLMAO!!

#757

Dunno if RS3 is a competitor. I guess you can tune it and ruin it. But a stock Model 3 is a 1 million mile powertrain. Model 3 has as much interior room as an Allroad because it’s not carrying around a powerplant. The packaging on an EV is much better.

#758

“it’s not carrying around a powerplant.”

How does it move?

#759

Good point.

I don’t think the RS3 is a competitor Its just a nice really fast car. Its all in the ICE cars can be as fast if not faster category.

The power train might be 1mil miles but I don’t think so. The electronic motors are incredibly complicated and to simplify things. Your ele alternator fails usually before the motor of the car will. Also the battery life is one thing to question and to think about.

#760

Did tuning your S4 ruin it?
Tell me the stock 0-60 and quarter mile times for the P3D and RS3.
How about the quarter mile an a tuned RS3?
And the quarter mile on a turbo upgraded RS3?
I guess the RS3 is a luxory car, whereas the P3D is a basic stripped car with an iPad so no competition there.
Are there any P3Ds with a million miles?
Any Tesla’s with a million miles with no major costly repair / service?
Do you routinely hang out in your P3D rear seats or get driven around to enjoy all the interior room?

#761

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!

The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
The battery is warranted for 120,000 miles, and there are Teslas out there with 300K miles on their original battery packs and motors.

#762

[quote=“zcd1,post:761,topic:7706”]

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!

The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??

LOL when your smarter than google maybe we can have an conversation until then it seems your not only not super intelligent when it comes to this but sadly not informed either.

by your same logic that moving parts equals complexity is just as stupid as saying the NASA number cruncher computer is super simple because it has no moving parts… same as my cell phone.

Don’t conflate the simplicity of the design to the actual motor complexity itself. If its so easy as you say pull yours out and show us how easy it is to take apart and put back in.

I suppose complicated is a relative term and I guess you actually need to know more about the electronic motor than you just read on google.

Its been interesting seeing the difference you have talked about and seeing your actual performance results. Thanks for sharing.

#763

All great points.

#764

Is that a serious question? The powerplant is the energy company. And the energy is stored in the battery. The Tesla has a $700 motor that weighs 80 pounds and makes 500 HP and 500 ft/lb instantly at any engine speed at any time in 1 millisecond.

#765

That’s beyond stupid. It’s a stater. A rotor. 4 magnets. And copper wire. The whole motor assembly costs less than 1 catalytic converter. It’s so small they stuff it in the subframe, and it can be swapped in 45 minutes. Just remove the 4 bolts for the suspension subframe and unclip the wiring harness.

There’s no clutches or friction points. That’s why nothing wears out. I guess you can make an argument there’s bearings.