It just doesn't work: Tesla

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#753

[quote=“zcd1,post:745,topic:7706”]

The only improvement could be discharge batteries faster for more power right…however that comes at the risk of a big BOOOOM.

I forgot about those Rimacs. You know someone will put those head to head when / if the tesla roadster is released to the public.

That’s true, with a simple tune the RS3/TT-RS are 10 sec cars…upgrade turbos and now 9 sec cars! It’s pretty nutty. But how much better would they be if they were true hybrids given that they are as fast as P3D stock. Combine that initial electric torque with that audi straight 5 !

It’s weird how cultish Tesla owners are in general; if youre not with them youre against them. If Saki were still around I wonder how his demeanor would be lol.

RS3 direct competitor of the P3D. I think all manufacturers should be able to update their cars like Tesla is in the 21st century. Tesla has the market cornered hoarding the battery metals lol.

#754

Youre still clearly missing it. Not only was I not directing my comments to you. You were carring on about a point I Wasn’t even making. So sure you can comment all you want but try keeping up with the ACTUAL conversation…

#755

Yeah I liken the TESLA owners to a kidnapping or perhaps even some of the Apple phone cult. They try to over compensate for how shit somethings are by just being ignorant or blind. " ITS THE BEST ITS THE BEST" HUH… really its not getting that same review from everywhere. There isn’t extreme brand loyalty. in other words. You bought a used TESLA and that means someone didn’t like it enough to keep it.

ITS THE Best seems to not mean the actual best but a shadow version of tunnel vision. Its always great to see joyous owners but its a lot better to see people that enjoy the cars and can be actually open minded and give you real world perspective on all sides. Good and bad. Seems that’s lacking with a lot of TESLA guys. Maybe its the radiation from the batteries or something.

Again the new breed will probably be hybrid as the ICE motors have lots of advantanges and the ELE motors have a lot to offer. Bllend them and your good. Looks like the next gen RS7 will be doing this. that’s where the future is or so it seems.

#756

ROFLMAO!!

#757

Dunno if RS3 is a competitor. I guess you can tune it and ruin it. But a stock Model 3 is a 1 million mile powertrain. Model 3 has as much interior room as an Allroad because it’s not carrying around a powerplant. The packaging on an EV is much better.

#758

“it’s not carrying around a powerplant.”

How does it move?

#759

Good point.

I don’t think the RS3 is a competitor Its just a nice really fast car. Its all in the ICE cars can be as fast if not faster category.

The power train might be 1mil miles but I don’t think so. The electronic motors are incredibly complicated and to simplify things. Your ele alternator fails usually before the motor of the car will. Also the battery life is one thing to question and to think about.

#760

Did tuning your S4 ruin it?
Tell me the stock 0-60 and quarter mile times for the P3D and RS3.
How about the quarter mile an a tuned RS3?
And the quarter mile on a turbo upgraded RS3?
I guess the RS3 is a luxory car, whereas the P3D is a basic stripped car with an iPad so no competition there.
Are there any P3Ds with a million miles?
Any Tesla’s with a million miles with no major costly repair / service?
Do you routinely hang out in your P3D rear seats or get driven around to enjoy all the interior room?

#761

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!

The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
The battery is warranted for 120,000 miles, and there are Teslas out there with 300K miles on their original battery packs and motors.

#762

[quote=“zcd1,post:761,topic:7706”]

[quote=“justincredible,post:759,topic:7706”]
LOL!!!

The Tesla’s motors have exactly 2 moving parts each. The entire drivetrain has 17 moving parts. A typical ICE drivetrain has over 200 moving parts, so which one is actually “complicated”??

LOL when your smarter than google maybe we can have an conversation until then it seems your not only not super intelligent when it comes to this but sadly not informed either.

by your same logic that moving parts equals complexity is just as stupid as saying the NASA number cruncher computer is super simple because it has no moving parts… same as my cell phone.

Don’t conflate the simplicity of the design to the actual motor complexity itself. If its so easy as you say pull yours out and show us how easy it is to take apart and put back in.

I suppose complicated is a relative term and I guess you actually need to know more about the electronic motor than you just read on google.

Its been interesting seeing the difference you have talked about and seeing your actual performance results. Thanks for sharing.

#763

All great points.

#764

Is that a serious question? The powerplant is the energy company. And the energy is stored in the battery. The Tesla has a $700 motor that weighs 80 pounds and makes 500 HP and 500 ft/lb instantly at any engine speed at any time in 1 millisecond.

#765

That’s beyond stupid. It’s a stater. A rotor. 4 magnets. And copper wire. The whole motor assembly costs less than 1 catalytic converter. It’s so small they stuff it in the subframe, and it can be swapped in 45 minutes. Just remove the 4 bolts for the suspension subframe and unclip the wiring harness.

There’s no clutches or friction points. That’s why nothing wears out. I guess you can make an argument there’s bearings.

#766

Fuck since its so easy. Make one for your car and put it in… oh shit you can’t and wouldn’t be able to… but you can talk about how its easy but its not… Thats the point.

Further more to that point. Companies have reversed engineered the tesla motors. And while the design is simple in principle to make the motor more efficent and more powerful they have really pushed the limits of each individual substance. This isn’t just your back yard electronic motor anymore. As stated they are much more complex.

Even if your talking about the brush motors that have a limited life span they are still pushed to new limits but if your talking about the 3 phase permanent magnet switched reluctance motor. This is again something thats not easy to get right very complex in what it takes to build and make it work.

So either you don’t know what your talking about or your making the point that electronic motors are all the same simple to make and thus by that who cares about TESLA all electronic motors are easy and the same thing or super simple. If thats the case you over paid for your car. The motor is simple to make you could have just converted your S4.

And again. no disrespect but to say because its only got a few moving parts its simple is a bit moronic. Hell a nuclear power plant power source only has one moving part. Go build on in your backyard. Its just cadmium rods and some uranium. Easy only a few parts total.

#767

What the hell are you even talking about? You can’t load 1200 pounds of batteries into an S4 and add two motors. You just buy a Tesla and put an Audi ring on it. Which people are doing now.

It’s not the magnets. It’s the software, stupid. That’s why it’s so much faster than everyone else’s. Battery management and phase changes.

#768

What are you babbling on about??? You didn’t even answer the question. I’m getting the feeling your completely lost in the conversation fact and actual understanding wise

1 I was saying the motors are not the standard electronic motors. They are quite complicated in comparison to the competition. While still electronic magnet and coil but with more innovation.

  1. You still didn’t answer my question and obviously are unaware of the different types of motors and tech Tesla uses… Thus the apparent blank stare I assume you have and then the odd comment about magnets and software…

  2. You can totally put 1200 lbs of batteries in an S4 and the motor is so simple its JUST The motor assembly costs less than 1 catalytic converter. It’s so small they stuff it in the subframe, and it can be swapped in 45 minutes. Just remove the 4 bolts for the suspension subframe and unclip the wiring harness.

Now I know it might take 60 min or so on an S4 but the motors are easy and cheap. You said so… so easy…so simple

Perhaps you don’t understand you’re destroying the entire argument that Tesla is something special. Facts are according to you. Its just software and battery management. Looks like you over paid for your hyped up golf cart.

#769

In the end all this bickering is childish. This all started by adding some common sense and perspective. That apparently if your a fan boy of tesla isn’t popular.

I test drove 3 electronic cars. 2 of them teslas. While I found neat things with the teslas. Did I think it was great. No… Is it the fastest…no. Is it the fastest for the money not my money. Was it all hype. to me it was in some cases but over all still a impressive leap for ele cars. For sure the benchmark.

I did think it was ok. I appreciate a lot of what the car had to offer. As far as ele cars for the money tesla has really pushed the market and the tech. I like what they did with the motors I like what they did with the frame of the car. Its nice. I did hours of research on what tesla has done and how they have improved over the past seveal years. In all aspects of the car power and battery tech.

Its just not for me all its cracked up to be. If you love your car FKN great. be a fan boy love the car. If you think its the greatest car ever GREAT. Good its all about getting a car you really like.

#770

[quote=“justincredible,post:769,topic:7706”]
In actuality, your constant assumptions about what we (or anyone) knows or doesn’t know about our cars (or other cars) is the biggest issue here. You suggest that you understand things better than others, which is laughable at best and pathetic at worst.

Your constant posturing reveals everything we need to know about you.

#771

[quote=“zcd1,post:770,topic:7706”]

And that you need to know about me is apparently that I do actually know more about the cars then you.

That I actually researched test drove physically and mechanically looked over the car and used some common sense in coming to my conclusions when coupled with the facts.

When you make a statement that shows your lack of understanding  or off exaggeration that would tend to let others think that you don't know something. Perhaps this is what all the issues stem from or perhaps insecurity on others part.

If you actually take time to read and understand what I wrote. All I did was question what appears to be your needed belief of "truths"about the car you own…'and that my friend is what makes you laughable at best and pathetic at worst.

Sad but true apparently.

:Let me wrap this entire thing up. Your a fan boy and have some sort of cult love for your car. I’m not and I don’t. Anyone questioning the greatness of your electronic car seems to make for an argument with you not open dialog.

#772

Dude the $37k Tesla will blow the doors off any Audi in production, and especially any $37k Audi which is like a base A3 Peasant trim. Doesn’t even have an iPad and 8 camera autopilot standard. Audi is going out of business.

Invalidating the crash structure of an Audi loaded with 1200 pounds of batteries is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. Just leave them in the safest best car ever built in the history of the world, Tesla Model 3.

Why the fuck would you make another front engine disaster out of Tesla cells?