Maybe , but that still has nothing to do with your sub 3 sec 0-60 model 3
I saw this and then again when the thread got bumped.
That looks like an RS electronic model?
Not nearly as fast as I thought. 4120 pounds.
11.785 seconds @ 115.35 MPH
Tires are 235/35 ZR20 P4S all around.
Reaction times are stupid good because the car has instantaneous throttle response, like 10ms.
Requiring 99% charge, downhill, with wind behind him AND still not getting <3sec = not happening. Still impressive.
That’s great…as an electric its doing exactly what it should given current technology being fast off the start then falling on its face after 60-70mph
So its basically same speed as my 10 year old supercharged B8 S5.
So the other day this douche in a P90D pulls out of shopping center parking lot, nearly hitting me as i was cruising along at 40mph, and floors it to ~55mph…So I fully turn off ESP preparing for the next stop light. I rev’ at him letting him know im going to bring it. I’m not sure what happened if he didnt engage launch control or his battery was not charged but I shit on him by a full car length to 55mph then started walking him till 65mph. He should have smoked me…rolling the dice with these tesla’s on their battery charge and if the right mode is engaged.
You know what. That’s a great point I forget.
On an ele car your going to loose more power when the tank so to speak gets low. Its not like your S5 is slower when your under a /14 tank on the fuel.
I think the results we hear for the ele cars are perfict condition times. Sometimes its interesting to know the real time results for the car. Looks like you might have found out how the cars really are when not pumped up to 10
Exactly! Hybrid tech is still the best imo, but I’m sure electric will surpass it soon enough. Too many factors effecting electric performance at the moment…I just wish I could add 40 kw to my rear wheels with batteries in the trunk 
Took delivery of my Model 3 Performance yesterday.
It’s effing amazing.
if only it looked as amazing as it performs…
“Beauty’s in the eye…” and all that…
The performance is astounding - and not just the acceleration. It handles amazingly well, too.
It’s also very comfortable and refined, which is almost even more impressive. It’s the future, and it’s gonna be a fun one!
The model 3 has that Porsche 4 door look that isn’t too loved but has some that just cant get enough. While I still don’t see electric cars being the future I do see them taking a possible partial roll in the future maybe a large roll. But to be honest. Any performance model these days is impressive handles well and is refined.
Is the tesla your DD now or just an add on
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Personally, I think it looks very sleek and futuristic, and with one of the lowest coefficients of drag in the industry, it actually IS sleek.
Interesting that you don’t think electric cars are the future. BMW, Audi, and Mercedes all plan to have at least 10 all-electric models on the market by 2025, the Jaguar iPace is already here, and the Porsche Taycan (and Audi eTron GT) are just around the corner.
The way I see it, electric cars are absolutely the future. They’re much more efficient, have hundreds of or even thousands of fewer parts than ICE vehicles, and promise dramatically less required maintenance. My Tesla’s first service is 2 years post-delivery, and it’s basically a check up. Add to that the packaging efficiencies and the potential performance and from where I sit, the ICE car’s days are numbered.
The Model 3 is also a much more sophisticated, mature and balanced platform than the Model S/X that came before it, and when the Model 3-platform-based Model Y SUV hits the market later this year, watch out - it’s gonna KILL it in the market.
All it would take most consumers to be convinced would be their experiencing the incredibly smooth, immediate, quiet rush of acceleration and then the totally logical, smooth and simple regenerative braking of a Tesla. As the Model 3 becomes ubiquitous, more and more people will get the chance to ride in or drive one, and if they can afford it, they’ll be sold.
This car absolutely blows away every other car I’ve ever owned - it’s that good.
The S6 was a great car, but the Model 3P is MUCH quicker, much more efficient, equally comfortable, and is in a completely different league than the S6 (or indeed than even my previous lowered/tuned B8 S4) when it comes to handing or being fun to drive.
The Tesla is my DD - the S6 is gone.
Congrats on yours it looks good in white.
I drove a friends tesla and I just wasn’t impressed.
Yeah again… not the future but part of it.
energy wise battery is less efficient vs petrol and diesel. keep in mind I’m only saying energy output. terms of output per weight, a battery generates only one percent the energy of fossil fuel. One liter of gasoline (1kg) produces roughly 12kW of energy, whereas a 1kg battery delivers about 120 watts, the energy storage capability of a battery will need to double and quadruple before it can compete head-to-head with the IC engine
Battery cars just have too many flaws and draw backs. They are neat and again I think they are part of the future. The best cars combine the two worlds. ICE vehicles have nothing to worry about. After all when your electric car runs out of a charge on the side of the road in the middle of no where. Your going to need to go get a generator fill it with gas and wait for minimum 2 hours to give the electronic car enough charge to get to the next charging station. not that brilliant.
A few friends that had and since sold there electric cars would say. Oh yeah you just have to plan out where your going to drive and work out the charging stations… Ok yeah… fuck that if I wanted to put that much planning into driving somewhere more than a few hundred miles away its time to come up with a better plan or just get a car that functions better.
As for car companies making all electric cars… just like they all made flex fuel cars… and hows that working out…
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But you haven’t driven a Model 3, and trust me, it’s a completely different animal than the Model S.
We can agree to disagree.
Hybrids are unnecessarily complex and (for now) crushingly heavy - they’re a stopgap at best. Why carry around TWO types of powertrains??
Comparing power output by weight is stilted at best, but whatever. The Tesla weighs less than the S6, but offers similar passenger and cargo space. While it won’t travel as far as the S6 on the highway without a charge, it will travel farther in around-town driving on a single charge than the S6 would on a tank of gas.
I also start each day with a full tank - I charge overnight - and the electricity costs about $100/month less than the gas I was putting into the S6.
As far as road trips, the Supercharger network continues to expand, and the charge times will continue to shrink. We do a 400 miles each way road trip several times every year. The S6 needed 1 stop for this trip - the Tesla will need 2, and it will take me about 25-30 minutes longer in total in the Tesla. I can easily live with that for the rest of the Tesla’s advantages.
(In actuality, the 2nd Supercharger stop for the outbound trip is located in the parking lot of a Meijer store that’s directly at a highway exit, so the grocery shopping we’d typically do AFTER arriving at the destination (which takes about an hour including travel time) can be done during the Supercharging stop, so the total time will actually be LESS with the Tesla.)
The icing on the cake is that the Tesla is just plain much more fun to drive than any of the Audis I’ve owned.
Now wait a second… LOL…
Now just to point out something (in a non argumentive way. ) you mentioned that hybrids are “crushingly heavy” as a point why hybrids are not a great idea… but then just a sentence later said “Comparing power output by weight is stilted at best” so you just made my point for me then disregarded the point in the same breath.
FACTS are battery cars are not all they are cracked up to be and while it fine that you HOPE charge times will go down and you can do some odd fuzzy math on how spending an hour doing something after a long trip means you spend less total time isn't IMHO exactly rational. I get your point but while that's the part where we can agree to disagree there are bigger issues like the global warming crazies are something that needs to be thought about in the grand scheme of things. Right now in the summer months the US power grid is overworked and requires brown out and limited electronic delivery. This isn't good for cars that require power from that grid.
Again I too am excited for the possible future with electronic add ons for automobiles. Saying hybrids are too complex is I don’t think relevant or in the larger sense make any sense when you consider how complex cars themselves are and that its actually a thing right now. It plays to the strength of each tech and that’s kinda the overall idea on how you make something better.
They both have draw backs on there own but I think together ICE and EO cars not only make sense but make the future together. After all electronic cars have been around for almost 100 years.
You are confusing and conflating 2 separate points I made:
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Hybrids are super-heavy because they have to carry around 2 power sources and 2 separate means of propulsion - so a battery/electric motor combo PLUS a gas tank/ICE combo. The extra weight blunts/limits the extra range and the cars are more complex than any other, not less, so it’s a lose/lose situation. As Colin Chapman once said: “Simplicate and add lightness”, or more succinctly: KISS!
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My point about the weight of the Tesla vs. my S6 was meant to illustrate that despite the weight of the battery pack, the Tesla is still lighter than the Audi. It will also travel further in around-town driving than the S6 would, due to regenerative braking in the Tesla and the 15 mpg the Audi gets in low-speed stop and go driving.
And you’re right - electric vehicles have been around for 100+ years. What stopped them from dominating from the beginning was battery and charging technology. With the current state-of-the-art of those 2 technologies, there’s nothing stopping them from dominating the future. As to the electric grid, the needed capacity can and will be built. There was no gasoline/fossil fuel infrastructure 100 years ago either.
1 make sense. I figured at much but it does still make the point I was looking to convey
However completely incorrect on the loose loose and not sure you’re aware of how hybrid cars work but they have the longest range of any chosen platform and not by a small mark. The two technologies work together to compliment one another. The ICE motor makes up for the issues that you would see with a battery only car and the EO motor helps run when the ICE motor wouldn’t be at peak VE. The end result is ICE motors being able to run in the 30/40+ mpg range and the EO motor gets charged off overflow and regen. So the complete opposite of what you just said. I’m also a bit at a loss on your complex point. Automobiles have been getting more complex with each added tech with the overall idea being a better end user experience safer more usable.
Again I think using the words nothing stopping the two technologies from dominating is absent of understanding the limits of them and the limits of what is in front of us. Due to over regulation and lack of profits we see power shortages and limits on power from power plants with no actual plans on building more that seem to be public knowledge. building a new power infrastructure isn’t a few month ordeal.
I think its a bit of rose glasses on your part. But you should getting into one of the best built electronic cars ever made is going to have anyone pumped. And while I have been the voice of possible unpopular reason I am excited to see how things develop.
Keep us posted on how things work out and I would love to hear your review over the next year.
I like it! Agreed the pearl white does look good and the P wheels look a billion times better than the stock option for the 3s.
But I still prefer the look of my B8 S5 to any model 3. To me the front of the 3 already looks dated copying an old panamera.
I think Telsa nailed the model S; looks better than any sedan on the market today (BMW 8 series is not out yet).
I was waiting on the next gen Tesla roadster, but the look was as of a 60k german luxory, with hyper car acceleration, and a price tag of a super car. Major identity crisis with that one and out of my budget. Epic fail from Elon.
I agree pretty much with all of Justin’s points. Unfortunately due to corporate greed, oil tycoons, etc technology R&D has virtually come to a stand still in the last 30 years…the previous 40 years was insane compared. I mean were in the 21st century we should have flying cars all powered by renewable resources whether it be from nuclear fission, solar / electricity, hydrogen, anything! I’m glad Elon is going against the grain pushing forward with tech and R&D. In fact he has created such a ripple that all the major car manufacturers are claiming to be producing large amount of electrics in the future.
But electric may be the future or may not; right now it’s the hybrid that are the best for the points Justin made. Mclaren P1 weight 3500lbs. Acura NSX 3900lbs (same as GTR). BMW i8 3400lbs. All hybrids that are larger and weight less than model 3 and much less than model S (5000lbs)
When you compare model 3 to S6, you’re comparing apples to oranges. model 3 much smaller (fair comparison would be an S4 that is 150lbs lighter). A fair comparison to the S6 size is the Model S, and the S6 is 500lbs lighter even with all the options, comfort, and luxory! Tesla’s are basically batteries covered in a shell with a large iPad. Sure the model 3P is quicker to 60 but how about 90? what if you’re both rolling 45 on the freeway and want to overtake, now which is quicker. All this being said IF the tesla fully charged, you lose performance as you lose charge which is one of the biggest fallacies people forget.
I’ve gotten smoked off the line by a p85d, but I’ve also smoked p90d and p100d off the line in my 11 year old S5. Not sure if their cars were low on charge or not in the correct mode but it was a full car length. Once we’re at freeway speeds the Tesla has no chance (p90d 60-130 over 11secs). So hybrid is the future right now (preferably the straight 5 Audi paired with ample amount of batteries because the exhaust note is still quite nice).
I wish i could put a 40kwh battery / motor to my rear wheels 8)
I hope to see some cool hybrids be produced in the near future, and electric tech improves with proper resource support. Owning an electric in UT is pointless unless you’re already set up and invested in solar traveling home everyday. majority of power in the US is still coal to electric. Once the grid gets clean and renewable then electric makes more sense.
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EPA Interior volume: S6: 97 cubic feet. Model 3: 97 cubic feet
(Model 3 has more front passenger space, S6 slightly more rear passenger space.)
Luggage space: S6: 14.1 cubic feet. Model 3: 15 cubic feet
Performance:
(from Car and Driver)
30-70 mph: S6: 5.8 seconds Model 3: 3.4 seconds (!!!)
0-100 mph: S6: 9.8 seconds Model 3: 8.9 seconds
0-130 mph: S6: 17.1 seconds Model 3: 17.1 seconds
Braking 70-0 mph: S6: 154 feet Model 3: 147 feet
Roadholding: S6: .91G Model 3: .95G
Also from Car and Driver:
“Many drivers have come to understand that electric cars accelerate well, thanks to their motor’s ability to deliver maximum torque from a standstill. In ordinary daily driving, this is most evident in the Model 3 Dual Motor Performance not so much when pulling away from a stop—although if you insist on being the first driver to cross the intersection, you can be—as when vying for a position in commuter traffic on a major artery, merging onto a highway, or when passing a slower vehicle on a two-lane road. Here, it’s not just the instant torque, but also not having to wait for a downshift (there aren’t any with the Tesla’s direct-drive reduction ratio) that produces stunning real-world responses. This Model 3 needed only 1.4 seconds to leap from 30 to 50 mph and just 2.0 seconds to get from 50 to 70. Never mind other sports sedans—they’re not competitive by this measure. This Tesla’s mid-range acceleration tops the performance of 700-hp sports cars like the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 and Porsche 911 GT2 RS, in which there’s a moment’s delay while automatic transmissions downshift and engines rev up. And the Tesla does it without drama beyond the alarming way it pushes you back into the seat as the car closes on any traffic ahead. There’s no jerk and no roar—plant your foot on the accelerator and it simply goes.”
That about covers it, I think…
Amazing how they were able to create a car the size of the A4 series with the room of the A6 which is ten inches longer and wider.
S6 0-60 is 3.9 sec; the C&D driver must have been high as a kite with muscular dystrophy in comfort mode to post a 5.8 sec 30-70…don’t take all media as facts my friend
So why am I killing all these tesla’s in my 11 year old 6 speed manual Audi with ~525hp; forget 700+hp? Only in ideal conditions, fully stopped, toggle all the options to race launch etc, AND be fully charged do they win, but i’m winning more often than them…The best was the P90D turning right out of a strip mall parking lot accelerating full on blowing by me as i was going the speed limit, for him to only smash his brakes at a red light 500 feet later. I rolled up, turned off my ESP, and rev’d him looking over. He in his black suit, black sunglasses wanna be agent matrix looking clown refused to look. Light goes green, knowingly I have no chance if he launches with a full battery, and I shit on him by a full car length to 60…he still trying…by 80 two car lengths then I apply the brakes. Next right hand turn I wave at him; poor guy still would not look.
You really believe C&D that the P3D will beat a ZR1 from a 60mph roll?
When Tesla can produce consistent results every time in all conditions at a reasonable price, decent looking coupe; I’m in. Otherwise I’m still on the hunt for a gated 6 speed v10 R8, that will get a fat blower or the underground treatment ;D