infinkc was mentioning that they had done something pretty smart to control IAT’s. You’d think they could at least produce a product out of that.
I agree on all accounts but one thing I don’t understand is even if they did make this kit work who the hell would buy it?
^^ Some people would buy it. Look no further than the PES supercharger for the RS4. Despite running 12.6 at the track - :o - the kit sold.
True.
I guess a fool and his money are soon parted.
…and sadly, he and his money are again parted when he buys the next bullshit kit (AMD) from liars, sold by the same shitty no-integrity shop (KMD).
oddly enough, 12.6 used to be a good time for the RS4. He ran it with about $30,000 in mods though lol ($5000 exhaust, $12,000 sc, $4000 wheels, $8000 lw euro RS4 seats).
Saddest part was my bone stock RS4 almost matched his supercharged time, and then I comfortably beat him after adding nothing but a used 3 year old JHM fullback exhaust.
that’s a good question from a few standpoints
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would anyone put $20,000+ into a B8 S4 to go faster? For this I would say, definitely. People are putting $20,000 into B6 S4s…and B5 S4s.
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would anyone give these hack losers $20,000? To this I say I sure fucking hope not, but one thing scam companies have proved in the past is that no matter how often you change your name and act shady, some dumb Audi owner will still give you money.
Well this continues to keep proving what we keep saying all the time it takes more then a welder and a dyno the idiot that thought this was going to be a good idea it’s a be guy. That tells you everything you need to know. The b5 guys suck at the b5. That same lack of understanding wasn’t going to do anything more the do what happened here. A bunch of lolz
Who would have guessed!
[QUOTE=SoloMotorsports;10527244]We got to the point we were pegging out the factory ecu on load with a larger turbo. We were testing with a few workarounds and SRM decided that with the amount of money they had into the car and the power level it will achieve it just made sense to go standalone.
We had achieved about 600whp with meth injection on built motor with the factory ecu but with no good 1/4 mile runs or finished product to show for it we haven’t really been publicizing it.
SRM has vbox 60-130’s in the mid 8’s with the car.
I know many of you want a 500whp version but after all the testing we did I’m concerned about engine longevity on a stock motor.
There really isn’t a cheap fix to get a healthy 500whp that will last or we would have gone that route.
With the price of the twingcharged kit and motor work needed you would end up spending about $20k.
Bottom line is We made a really fast car but It’s just not a mass producible product.
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^^ classic. Literally everyone on here has been predicting that from the beginning. Lulz @ the “we made a fast [albeit unsellable] product.”
If 12.2 is fast I can’t wait to see what his latest tuning on the stock blower will do? That is if we ever see anything other than pretty dyno charts… Maybe they’ll be called something else then…
We knew it was shit when they buried the quarter mile runs and barely trapped anything impressive…while running shitty ET. Standard ghetto build stuff. Then the built motor stuff was a joke, as we knew it would be. Now they admit it.
Great point about them calling it fast. The 3 data points we have are
- dyno at 600 whp - a 600 whp car would trap about 135 mph. This car trapped like a 400 whp car.
- 1/4 mile 12.2 @ 118…that’s a good trap with NO TURBO…and that’s a decent trap for pump gas NO TURBO. Otherwise, that’s garbage
- 60-130 mph time of 8.something seconds. Last time I checked this too is not impressive. Auditude with NO TURBO went 9.6 seconds, uphill. And we’ve vetted the result and know it to be true. The solo guys showed nothing…and are only 3/4 of a second faster with supposedly 200 whp more. Give me a fucking break.
p.s. where’d drob go again? Does this yet qualify as a disaster? I think the problem is if you are prototyping and developing stuff, make sure it works before you show it to anyone. You don’t see boeing posting their prototype work (that gets canned) on public spaces. It makes you look like a failure.
oh…and if anyone is keeping score anymore, it looks like the B8 S4’s TVSr1320 is pretty much perfect for the engine strength
much bigger, and you are killing motors.
Solo killed motors with the turbo in line at ‘600 whp’ (lol)
APR killed motors with the 1740 at 475 whp
So it looks like the car likes being at 400-425 whp, which means you can pretty much max it out with the 1320.
I wonder if any of the actual truth will leak out. Not that it matters much as the predictable result is in, but it would be worth a chuckle.
I was curious if they would cop to the fact that they likely never figured out how to keep IATs manageable and likely never figure out how to tune it properly (and if it blew up a second time).
I’m not sure it’s a HP/boost pressure thing so much as an IAT thing. I’m interested if anyone knows of another TVS or root-style SC’d OEM engine that blows north of 15psi through tiny intercoolers on pump gas like the 3.0T has. I can’t think of one currently.
My 2c after studying the SC discharge temps from the published Eaton performance maps for the R1320 is that it’s going to be upwards 300’F on a stage 2 boost level in 80’F outside temps (16psi post-IC, ~17.5 pre-IC) and the in-SC heat exchangers are just too small overall to handle that amount of heat. Every 3.0T log I’ve seen in summer weather, including my own, shows this as IAT’s climb significantly throughout a 1/4mi run.
Adding a larger TVS SC and similar heat exchanger packaging inside the SC like APR did just bought a few % of efficiency which did next to nothing for IAT at the same boost levels though boost could be raised net higher. The end result clearly wasn’t good as I assume most of APR’s testing was on pump gas.
Solo’s ill-advised attempt at twin-charging was likely even worse as from the pictures they supplied they had no IC between the turbo and SC which would have made the SC discharge astronomically high- well north of 300’F at peak boost. This is because discharge temp of the setup is by design a product of both the turbo and SC’s adiabatic efficiency. It was never going to work on pump gas at higher than st2 boost levels.
wtf does this have to do with me, sorry?
edit - I see now where I was in this. Answer: yes, definitely a disaster if that’s where they leave it. The tone of his post makes it sound like they’re done and don’t plan to do anymore testing. Which means the car/motor/whatever is probably shot.
Because wtf would you spend all that time/money to literally get nothing more out of it then a thread on AZ. Do they really think people are going to buy Stg 2 SRM software because of this? At least with APR’s race program, they could say “we run the off the shelf tunes/hardware on these race cars in the Pirelli WC”. Which at least sounds like a profit stream, despite how bad the overall business case turned out to be.
Got home late from work and read through this thread again tonight. Full of win/lulz. AR classic for sure.
infinkc was mentioning that they had done something pretty smart to control IAT’s. You’d think they could at least produce a product out of that.
I agree on all accounts but one thing I don’t understand is even if they did make this kit work who the hell would buy it?
^^ Some people would buy it. Look no further than the PES supercharger for the RS4. Despite running 12.6 at the track - :o - the kit sold.