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#3406

I know, it’s cool how the B8 guys got heavy in the begginning. It wasn’t even the guys who were B6/7 graduates either…i.e. the first crop of B8 guys weren’t B67 guys who came in guns a blazing and knew to tell the dyno slingers to fuck off. It was guys like primetime who really set the stage. Because he did well, and it gave guys confidence to go. Then you saw what worked (APR revised tunes) and what didn’t (Stasis 91, MTM, ABT and to an extent original APR which saw guys like the dude from New York who bought a CTSv sell in frustratoin after spending a load of time and money just to go 12.74)…and this was AFTER he got screwed by MTM. Poor guy. It was that process though of putting products through the ringer that changed the game for the B8 early on. DSG helped too…it makes it hard to fuck up. You don’t have any mickf29 guys ruining the parts and making them look bad by running slower than stock times with $10,000 in the car lol.

Clochner, would you EVER have gone to the quarter mile in your car if not for guys like primetime etc? I know for me, I bought some JHM stuff on my old S4 and had done GTECH PRO RR testing before and after and saw the delta. That made me confident to go to the strip, where the car did great. But to be honest, nobody else was going to the strip back then. A couple of guys like 91GL had a year or two earlier, and of course cabracco85 who I met in Detroit got me into the idea, but when I went in 2010, I was an anamoly other than JHM themselves and those two guys. More and more went though, and over the last few years, it became the standard.

The RS4 guys…I have no idea. I thought when the cars got in the hand of the second generation (right now) owners, it would change. It sort of has, but evven the quarter mile guys are assholes who talk mad shit about the dyno being great (like flying tomatoes).

#3407

No, -I- am RS4elitist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u93bhAimFFU

#3408

Most likely not. That’s why I’ve said before that Primetime is the single most valuable contributor to the B8 platform. He really piqued everyone’s interest with his continuous dragstrip threads back in the Audiworld days. He also helped clear up the initial issue that APR had with their stage 2 setup (for DSG cars). In short, the B8 platform would not be what it is today without Ron.

You also did a good job of pointing our platform in the right direction. And I’m sure there were others from the B6/7 crowd as well.

#3409

haha I am not Rs4 elitist is all we know for sure. AZ site admin knows I am not as well.

It’s funny when looking at flying tomatoes. As I mentioned, he’s not looking for facts. He’s not looking for answers. He’s not looking for information.

He’s looking for a fight.

He’s yammering on about how JHM should use the dyno. Really? Why? So that the one company dominating the RS4 marketplace can legitimize the dyno, which is the EASIEST way possible for scam artist companies selling hopes and dreams to ‘prove’ that their product works?

JHM avoids the dyno for that one reason…the dyno is too easy to fool, and if that is the ‘bar’ or ‘standard’, all the shitheads will come out of the woodwork saying how great their shit is. See GhostSquadGarage (GSG) for a good example on Audizine. They offered an intake pipe that they claimed was made of a proprietary material that helped heat protection and that wouldn’t collapse like the stock intake maf hose does (it doesn’t…they made this up and squeezed it in a video to show what happens when WOT…rather than actually showing WOT, since nothing happened lol).

GSG got on AZ as an ‘official’ advertiser…flashed the product…and guys asked for dyno results. Really? Dyno results for a tube? How is this going to show a gain? Anyway, GSG put the part on a car (for free), and dyno’d it. Showed like 15 whp gains. Of course a dozen or so people bought this $300 pipe. Only to find it didn’t fit, and didn’t do FUCK ALL. But what about the dyno?

That’s the problem with the dyno…anyone can pay any dyno operator to make the dyno say whatever they want. It should never be used to prove anything.

Best part? Flying Tomatoes wants JHM to post dyno info (which they won’t) about their exhaust…and says it is a standard that should be adhered to. Really? So I guess when he bought his MTM catback exhaust and JHM downpipes, he ignored the standard???

#3410

Now time to work on the B7 A4 platform because they really like their Dynos :stuck_out_tongue:

#3411

Seriously…

The screenname is a play on the attitudes of many of the characters over on AZ and quattrofail. If you don’t own an RS4, you don’t rate an opinion…even if you know ten times more about their cars. Most of those guys could barely check the air in their tires, but they attack anyone with good info by starting their posts with “you don’t even own an RS4” because they are weak and will get thrashed in a factual conversation about performance or certain products.

#3412

hahahahaha

the funny thing is the dyno was really just the tool of a tuner…until the Supra came along.

Once the Supra and big 2Jz power builds (I think that’s right) came along, the guys couldn’t do jack shit at the strip for the most part…the cars were breaking…they had no traction…so they all started to throw them on the dyno. The dyno became the new racetrack. Incidentally that market was marred by more scam artists and scoundrels than any other over the psat 10 years.

Anyway, people from other platforms all started using the dyno more extensively to sell products over time, and now it’s a cluster fuck. It really is.

You go to the domestic forums, and sure they post dynos, but nobody really cares…they want you to back it up with a 1/4 mile pass.

The other joke is the 60-130. At least that involves driving your actual car…but unfortunately using a cheap performance tool like a pbox has its flaws…and at the end of the day, most people go 0-60 10 times a day, not 60-130. The 60-130 eliminates the part of acceleration that actually matters to most people.

Good to see all the new generation of big power cars going to the strip. GTR, TT GALLARDO, AMG, they all live at the dragstrip for comparing performance gains. The dyno queens are still out there, but they’re slowly being choked to death by actual performance testing.

#3413

something is wrong with shockwave - he makes no sense. and of course now he’s bringing up road courses. “the curvy kind” lol

#3414

I have typed out 4 replies to that thread today, then just closed the browser lol. Shockwave is just trolling.

BTW I found a dyno of saki’s car.

http://i57.tinypic.com/ic1nrb.jpg

#3415

he should have his name changed to RS4elitist.

I love these road course assholes who are such snobs about the dragstrip. What I don’t get is why they don’t complain about the dyno? I mean who at quattro in Germany sat around designing this car hoping it would one day reach the pinnacle of achievements in motoring and…spin 2 rollers ??? Maybe it’s just me but as far as testing my car, the dragstrip is a lot more sensible. Hell all the companies release 0-60 or 0-62 mph data etc. You don’t think they’re calculating that on a dyno do you?

These guys like shockwave are allergic to performance. Seriously. They want to talk about how awesome they are on the road course, or how great their dynos are. They want to talk to their wife’s friend’s husband at a cocktail party and tell him how his car makes 460 hp now because the dyno said so. They don’t ACTUALLY want the car to perform or accelerate…they just want to talk about it.

#3416

that AZ thread is brutal… don’t like the data, don’t buy the product

#3417

Anyone with just a smidge of intelligence would look at the data given and think to themselves, wow…so the fastest stock rs4 time EVER just improved by 2 tenths and 2 mph, the only difference being an exhaust change…that exhaust must make some serious power. End of discussion.

#3418

This.

#3419

OH yeah definitely the Supras. You go on Youtube and it is 1k+ HP Supras left and right and they are always doing highway pulls.

I came from the domestic world with my 73 Camaro and when I first came into the Audi world I was really confused on why so many people refused to go the strip. I always chocked it up to fearing that the car would not perform the way they thought it would.

The 2.0T 1/4 mile thread is depressing. There isn’t even a time in the 12s!

#3420

yup lol

Of course, lots of Audizine thinks like this…

[quote=auxnbus]Where I think the 1/4 times fall short in ‘proving performance’ is that you can’t (easily) decipher where gains are being made. 90% of a 1/4 mile run is at the top end of the powerband, where drivers spend less than 5% of their time. A properly done dyno comparison (i.e. same car, same day, same dyno, same operator, etc) will show you if you are getting most of your gains from 5k & up, or if you are also getting a bump in low end power/torque.
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So…you want to measure your acceleration mods between 1000-5000 RPM? I guess you do a lot of racing from 1000-5000 RPM? And you go WOT and want to accelerate from 1000-5000 RPM? Or are you saying you do lots of accelerating at 30% throttle from 1000-5000 RPM. And you want to know how your car gained power here because…you’re an idiot? because you forgot you can hold a gear or push the pedal harder?

[quote=ShockWaveVT]As a buyer I’m curious to know if I’m just adding top-end that will get rarely used or if I’m getting a good bit more power in the 1,000-5,000 range that will get used at every stoplight on a 25mph road. Some performance exhausts have been shown to actually lose TQ/HP on the low end in exchange for more TQ/HP in higher rev ranges and vice-versa.
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Wow…another one who likes to go WOT between stop lights and shifts at 5000 lol. If you’re truly accelerating and truly care, you’re only below 5000 for one gear maximum, and then are above 5000 the rest of the time (unless you are a retard). Guess what? The 1/4 mile is the same. You’re only below 5000 RPM for 1st gear, and then you’re in the top end the rest of the time.

Are these guys really that dumb?

#3421

^ hopefully there will be soon :wink:

#3422

My point exactly…and could possibly gain even more with better weather (DA)

I’m at a loss for words with those comments.

They are really that DUMB, it’s a shame they own such an amazing car

#3423

Who’s fault is that? :stuck_out_tongue:

#3424

Someone needs to just say one thing

You can make the dyno say your part is great even if it is shit, but you can’t make the NHRA certified dragstrip say it is great. It actually has to work. That’s the reason JHM doesn’t advertise with the dyno.

When you advertise with the dyno, you make it easy to gain entry to a marketplace because liars can be good performaers. When you advertise with actual performance, recorded at certified NHRA dragstrips, you’re actually advertising what the guy is buying.

If the guy is looking to buy a dyno sheet, I can pretty much guarantee that before JHM sells him one, he will buy something else.

All those guys saying ‘I just want to see x’ are in there to troll JHM, or they’re in there to talk shit about the quarter mile. Jake didn’t start a thread to show dyno numbers. He showed my fucking 1/4 mile timeslips and my video. THAT’S IT!

People bitch all day about wanting exhaust videos and ‘data’ etc and there you go. Excellent video, great data, and they still bitch. Fuck these bitches. They’re never buying it anyway. So should JHM throw away the beautifully established benchmarking work they’ve done over the past 5 years of trying to stop the dyno from being accepted, and making people demand real performance, just to appease these losers who are probably going to go buy Milltek anyway? Fuck them.

#3425

If my car doesn’t run 12s with a turbo upgrade I will dump it into the Delta and report it stolen. Or key up the paint and claim in on insurance and do a widebody conversion :wink:

Hey, none of that!