There is a typo there, It was supposed to say " leaving out the RT", It just looks like the Integra was a lot faster, I guess it is all in the RT difference.
The point in regards to the LC was in terms of 034’s success with it. (ES was right it was 5000 rpm)034 somehow managed a great time and good 60’ using LC which is the most surprising aspect as it has been stated numerous times here and elsewhere that LC actually messes up your run.
Just thinking about the occurrence of two separate companies running damn quick beta tests, best in their class of modification level, occurring weeks apart.
Coincidence?
Lol
I’d say what’s the point of pushing stage I, maybe with ridiculous timing requests, when they can do better on stage II+ pump.
Exactly
good to see someone speaks swagrish
oh, and I don’t think JHM would tune a car for 034, and let 034 jump up and down and blast beta times all over the place.
unless they were in cahoots because JHM didn’t want to offend APR so they’re letting 034 do the B8 stuff. That would be a funny conspiracy theory. But it’s just a joke.
Anyway, reality is APR and GIAC have literally never been the fastest at tuning anything, ever unless it was because they were first.
Generally the cycle is
APR/GIAC launch tunes
people buy them
APR/GIAC improve a little
people still buy them
JHM writes a tune and kills APR/GIAC to a shocking degree
APR/GIAC move on to next platform (B9 anyone?)
That’s somewhat debatable
disprove please
B5 S4? check
C5 A6? check
B6 S4? check
B7 A4? check
B7 S4? check
B7 RS4? check
B8 S5? check
B8 S4? tbd but looking good so far
That’s every Audi they’ve touched. Want to mention the C5 A6 2.8? Sure, they didn’t win that battle. Of course they didn’t fight it either.
B6 A4 3.0L as well.
It sounds like the C6 s6 and D3 S8 are going to be added to that list too.
Instead of me disproving, you should prove it. That’s a long list and i’m just saying, as someone who used to be involved in the scene, that sounds quite subjective
In other words “I don’t know what you’re talking about even though the other posters in this thread do (and anyone who has been on audi forums for the past few years) so please cater to me, the lowest denominator knowledge wise”.
Do your own homework if you’re new to the scene. Don’t expect everyone else to do it for you. In fact you’re the one who challnged what I posted…WITH ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACTS. You said what I posted is debatable, then disappeared with no debate lol. Pretty funny.
Not to mention the fact that we have a 1/4 mile list with every one of these results being easily searchable and sortable. Get studying.
Look, I really don’t want to go down this road. I just don’t think “to a shocking degree” is a great way to put it.
Hey, I still want to be disproven…so who is this Nate guy from 034, tuning this B8. Someone else off the site was talking about getting tuned by 034, then I saw this, now I’m really curious.
Why not? google any of those platforms with “jhm” at the end, you’ll get answers pretty quickly. The only one I think people would argue is b5 s4 and b7 rs4, but all the other ones are kinda no-contest.
Some examples to show you how far off you are:
stage 2 B5 S4s
the GIAC and APR tuned records were low 13s to very high 12s at 105-108 mph
JHM tuned the B5 and Dan@JHM went 12.28 @ 112 mph (no APR or GIAC car ever came close)
K04 B5 S4s
the GIAC and APR tuned stage 3 cars went mid 12s to high 11s @ 114-118
JHM tuned the B5 K04 setups and ran 11.1 @ 129 MPH (no APR or GIAC car ever came close)
B6/7 S4s
the fastest GIAC or APR B67 S4 (naturally aspirated) was 13.21 @ 103 mph (APR car)
the fastest JHM tuned B67 S4 (naturally aspirated) was 12.70 @ 111 mph (no APR or GIAC car ever came close)
B8 S5
the fastest APR or GIAC B8 S5 (naturally aspirated) was 13.2 @ 103
the fastest JHM B8 S5 (naturally aspirated) was 12.60 @ 108 (no APR or GIAC car ever came close)
Want any more? Those gaps are massive. The average ET gap is 6 tenths. The average MPH gap is 8 MPH. A car that wins by about 5 tenths at the strip wins by about 5 car lengths. If they did a highway pull, that translates to about 8-10 lengths. All of those examples are greater than that difference.
you haven’t floated a thesis, so how can it be disproven?
you hinted that maybe JHM tuned the 034 car. I suggested it wouldn’t make much sense (they’re competitors after all). I also would note that 034 has been tuning (to a smaller degree) for years.
I think maybe the problem is that when JHM and 034 produced great results early, your ‘bar’ that you’re comparing them to is pretty low. GIAC and APR have never been class leading performance tuners. They’ve been big companies with big budgets who paid for the tuning tools and ECU cracking access before everyone else, thus were the main games in town for a couple of years while the other companies focused on other platforms. While APR was cracking the B8 S4 ECU in 2010-2011, JHM was busy dominating the 4.2 world. Now that APR is about to focus on the B9 S4 3.0turbo, JHM is getting ready to step into the B8. It’s always like this. On every historical performance platform, APR and GIAC have been lapped once other tuners like JHM get involved and focus on not just a tune or tune+intake, but rather embrace a platform and develop dozens of parts for it after doing deep dissection of a JHM owned shop car. See my recent post to danavon for examples
why not B5 and Rs4?
The fastest JHM B5 S4 results destroy GIAC and APR (B5 K03 record: Dan @ JHM; B5 K04 record).
The only faster K04 B5 is the car marc10secS4 drove. It had 1100 lbs of weight reduction and slicks. It had no interior (carpet, dash, door panels, gauges, seats, pillars, ceiling liner and most wires related to the luxury items were cut out to save weight). Is that really a comparison with Jason’s car with full interior, street tires etc? And after Jason you have another JHM car. Then another JHM car.
The fastest RS4s are the same thing. Fastest GIAC or APR NA RS4 went 12.56 @ 110. Fastest JHM car went 12.21 @ 113.5. That’s not even close. Want to see what 12.2 vs. 12.5 looks like? Enjoy. I got to watch this a few times that day. It’s killing my car. I went 12.57 almost the same as the gIAC car. Mistro went 12.29 @ 112.8 on this run, almost a full tenth and MPH slower than his best.
Oh and here is the only k04 s4 to beat the 3 jhm cars…(and no it wasn’t giac or Apr tuned)
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/fb9f736cb7713b9a609aa25347c4743e.jpg
In my opinion, most of this data is not relevant. Take a stock car, dyno it, and then flash APR, dyno it, and then flash JHM and dyno it. The results will not be ‘shocking’ at least I can say from first hand experience on the b7 a4 because I had both GIAC and JHM on that car.
Going from a tuned 2.0t to a better tuned 2.0t the delta isn’t huge, compared to going from stock to tuned 2.0t, so yes in that instance the result isn’t shocking. But as I’m sure you experience the jhm tuned 2.0t was faster. In real world comparisons it’s been shown to be significantly faster.
Since you’re discrediting what is regarded as the most accurate measure of acceleration in the automotive world, you probably won’t get far here… Heads up lol.
I agree RE: the b5 s4 and B7 rs4 saki, I was just saying literally that people will argue those due to the 1/4 mile records of stripped and gutted cars from competitors.
Edit: let’s say you do the dyno you’ve proposed. and the non JHM car dynos 20whp higher. Does it matter? The JHM car will be faster.
I think this speaks for it’s self
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/172629-The-Official-B7-A4-1-4-Mile-Dragstrip-Database