Nitrous 4 the b5 best mod?

B5 S4/ RS4
#41

hahahaha

it’s funny, that guy notorious…he took it as an all out attack on him. Strange because he should be standing up to say "Tony…you fucking suck at tuning if my car is faster than all of your 605 cars’. As I said, he’s a nice guy when I met him in person. Just defending his parts I guess. Understandable.

Tony@EPL is delusional.

He should be made aware of the EPL/AMD car that ran 12.11 @ 121. The result is posted right in that Tial Results thread he said that in! Here’s where his partner Jason at AMD reluctantly shared the results of the local AMD built Tial dragstrip party.

12.1 @ 121.3 - p16.d4 - Tial 605 B5 S4, 92 octane+meth, stage III proper

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/428412-Tial-605s-vs.-KO4s-video-inside?p=6506809&viewfull=1#post6506809

Pay special attention to the Tial cars.

Tial 605 car = 12.11 @ 121
Tial 770 car = 12.4 @ 128 (this is the ‘world’s most powerful S4’ referenced in Jason’s signature I believe)

That car ran a crazy fast 60-130 time and posted up on 6speedonline. I ruined the party by posting the quarter mile time, and the guys there, who at least understand a little something about trap speeds etc. called bullshit on the whole EPL/AMD Tial love in.

#42

To be fair I don’t think any of the posts were particularly out of line, does that Notorious guy go to Cayuga? If so we should line up some V8’s against the Tials!

#43

none were out of line at all, it was the truth for pete’s sake!

#44

yes he does. I’ve been there in a group of half a dozen Audis that sort of included him (he came with some other dudes). That was the night he ran 11.9. I saw him there this fall as well, but he was arriving as we were leaving. He said he ran 12s a few times, no 11s. 12.2 @ 116. No meth file…pump gas (94 probably). He got there late and didn’t get to try other files. Weird thing, tuning your own car. Seems like fun, but something I’d NEVER try to do. It’s like trying to fix your own fillings. Sure you might get it done…but why wouldn’t you pay a professional to do it perfectly?

It was cold and perfect for racing. That’s the day George went 12.2 as well ironically in his all motor RS4…for perspective.

#45

Wow that shit exploded quick. Notorious is the armpit of the the B5 world. The second you start question his Tial kit, he says he’s not saying any more and the thread should be locked. It’s ok though, because it seems like the majority of the B5 guys see through the Tial smoke.

#46

lololol

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yeah, nobody accused you of being a great street/track tuner Tony, so lets not use your EPL tuned K04 cars as ‘the standard’. We’ll contact you when we need examples of cars that dyno great (on your dyno).

Let’s focus the performance results on the VAST/JHM K04 cars maybe lol.

#47

someone please post that ^^^ (knowing you’ll get attacked immediately after as the B5 guys love Tony lol)

#48

nice 91. You’re taking a beating for the team, and everyone in B5 land should thank you for it rather than chastising you.

Posting those de-motivational posters was pretty fucking hilarious.

When did the B5 world get so fucking soft? They used to attack whenever anyone with a b6 said anything. Now they just sit there quiet and say ‘stop being so mean’.

It’s pretty pathetic. It’s true…the B5 world has gone BACKWARDS. It used to be if you posted anything like 91 did, you’d get skewered. But because he ran 11.9 @ 116, they can’t say shit. 2 years ago 11.9 @ 116 would be a joke to the B5 forum. Now it’s a supercar like result.

Backwards indeed.

#49

Speaking of the unproductive TiAL performance stats, I got an advertisement email from VAST the other day. . .

Apparently almost 100 sets of frankenturbo kits have been sold, soooo. . . where is all the hype they claim to be, especially with so many sets out there. Tony at least argue’s that there’s only 20-30 TiAL’s out there, but hell, I would think 5 would be enough to at least see some trap times. . . guess not.

https://vastperformance.com/index.php/products/audi/audi-b5-s4-1998-2002/turbos-turbo-kits/frankenturbos-f4h-bt-2-7t-turbocharger-pair-465.html

#50

Here’s a very solid frankenturbos car walking my B7 S4 while on vacation in Mexico. Once we get to fourth he catches me and walks on by. Car had meth and all the goodies (full exhaust, ER IC, clutch/flywheel etc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2aOFWK-aiA

Here’s a 11.8 @ 118 mph B7 RS4 walking that frankenturbo car. Badly. FT is basically K04 performance…i.e. low 12s @ 115 mph on pump. Solid performance, and way cheaper than BW K04, so a good option…but not a world beater like RS6 or GT cars.

http://audirevolution.net/videos/88/jhm-tuned-b7-rs4-with-tvs1320-sc-vs.-vast-tuned-stage-iii-b5-s4-with

The FT car was re-tuned by VAST that day and the owner said it felt great. If you’ll notice in the pull vs. the Rs4, it’s 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th…so basically they did a quarter mile run without the launch. At the top of 4th for the RS4 (which is where it would trap) the gap is about 5-6 cars. That RS4 ran 11.8, so add 5-6 car lengths (which is 5-6 tenths as at 110mph you’re going 15 feet, a.k.a. a car length per tenth) and the FT car would be running 12.3-12.4 around. The one pass that car made at the strip, it fucked up the launch but it trapped 112 or so. And by fucked up the launch, I mean 2.7 60 foot time lol. We’ll get him out in the spring to see what it can really do.

#51

This all just motivates me more ;D

#52

What are your plans? Why would you need motivation? If you get Tials, we’re disowning you.

#53

Hahaha, rod should get gt’s or something, post a wicked time, just to blow that retarded “now the cars are slower because they are older” theory out of the water.

That thread got ugly! Notorious is taking it all so personally. That thread reminds me of arguing with (ex)girlfriends, even if you are right there’s no way in hell you are getting your point across.

#54

Fun thread. Notorious needs to live up to his word and quit posting.

And saki, thanks for clarifying about the FT option, I knew they were more a ko4 rival as the ko4’s have become increasingly more difficult to source. But it seems from my limited knowledge, the ko4’s are still better quality and performance when everything is done properly vs the FT, no? (at the end of the day it all comes down to bottom dollar though)

#55

I’m not a B5 guy but apparently K04s are like 2% better downlow and FT are like 2% better up top. Basically the same…but the frankenturbos are 20%-30% cheaper, thus they’re attractive. The % numbers I quoted are heresay from B5 guys who have raced each other in FT vs. K04 showdowns.

The maps on the FT webpage show the difference being a bit more than a couple percent, but they’re on the FT webpage so take that with a grain of salt. Guy who sells them/makes them is pretty funny.

FT = $1800
K04 = $2500

#56

That thread was hilarious - 91 breaking hearts there. It is very hard for them to argue with someone who is the record holder of a platform they use to trash talk and troll in all the time, but now they have got nothing because we have something to turn the boost up on. That comment about comparing a SC boost to a Turbo boost showed how stupid they are.

Your right Saki, that jason guy is a dick

[QUOTE=Jason:addict;7176104]Wow, I regret posting in response to V8 S4 guys - LMAO. Take your pile of trash back to poser-ville. Doesn’t it suck to have the generation that any legitimate Audi enthusiast wants to forget?
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hmmmm strange how Audi is still using a 4.2 V8 in their performance model and the 2.7 badge is back as a diesel, I think he meant a platform he would like to forget.

This just says that your turbos or tuning are shit and you need some laughing gas to help you out…pathetic.

I came into the scene when tial’s were starting to see some big numbers, so I couldn’t believe that the platform was going backwards, but I see it now. What does the Vast GT600 kit comprise of?

JHM’s Rs6’s or maybe it might be time to look at the new EFR’s. But we will disown you if you get tials lol

#57

i used to HATE posting in the b5 section, now its a joke. all the big time b5 guys with fast cars left and are not there to guide the idiots left behind. so they all get wet and shit over these crappy tial kits and since they have no clue about true performance, they think they are world beater.

i fucked up and STILL am faster than any tial 605 car out there.

#58

Wow shit got weird in there.

When I first bought by B6 S4 18m ago, I’ll admit I looked at a few B5 S4’s. Browsing the forums, the B5 S4 was king, even if the dreaded dentist’s drill meant an expensive trip to the shop, but hey at least there were K04/GT options and VAST/JHM to tune the shit out of it. The B5 S4 forum was full of confident guys with results to back it up.

Now you can see how uneducated some of those guys and how stagnant things have been. I’ve only been into the Audi scene for 18 months but it’s obvious that they have no idea about the V8 Audi’s and the progress that has been made. Someone made a crack at Joe for his all motor 93 tuned car - I don’t think that person realises that means B5 stg 2 fast? Someone else cracked a remark about your “$12000 s/c” but didn’t realise the cost of a GT build/tune.

So did those B5 S4 guys move on?

#59

Really? You think im like those guys cuz I have a B5? Come on Saki ;), I would never touch tials. I dont mess around with garbage and dyno numbers as they never impress me. I install only real parts that are tested and beat to fuck, then I install it and beat the fuck out it twice as hard.

I’m not going GT’s. not streetable, might as well get a supra and go single. What I get will be better. And yes i will blow that theory away.

Nope to EFR’s. going with something different.

#60

Ahh… so that would be twin T04’s into twin superchargers with a 4" straight through exhaust! ;D ;D