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#52

Yes, that’s why it’s a kit we’re talking about, not parts of a kit that a few cars will need, and other parts that a few others will need. It’s a kit. That’s why the poll question is:

How much will APR stage III+ (TVSr1740 kit) be for the B8 S4?

not

How much will APR stage III+ (TVSr1740 kit) be for the B8 S4 if you already have a bunch of the kit components?

We will ignore ‘recommended’ stuff like clutch or exhaust work, but reality is those can be included. I know on the RS4 kit it will destroy a stock clutch pretty comfortably, so in reality you need to factor that in if you’re buying. It’s not part of the kit though so again, we will ignore.

I think what APR is about to do is strip out some of the stuff that people may already have in order to make it appear cheaper.

i.e.
SC pulley - maybe the APR pulley from stage 2 will work?
CPS - they will make it a necessary add on that you can delete if you already have it
tuning loyalty discount - they may reduce the price by $500 or something if you’re already APR 1 or 2 tuned

They did this with the fluids and the fuel pump upgrades on the RS4 kit to keep the price looking lower. They don’t want to have a $19200 kit. $17,750 is much more palatable. It worked too…loads of people have been fololed and are saying the RS4 kit is $17,000.

When this kit comes out at $12,499 but you can drop that $2000 if you already have CPS and $500 for a tuning credit and $300 for pulley, and APR says ‘Introductory price of $9,699’, just watch how many people start saying 'you can go stage 3 for $9,000 and make a bazillion WHPs on race fuels yo!; or … “See…I TOLD YOU it would be under $10,000!”

All of this is irrelevant. The cost of going stage 3 will still include all of those things. If someone has pre-purchased them, good for them. Again it’s not ‘how much will primetime pay’…it’s ‘how much is the stage 3 kit?’

#53

Saki, My post was meant for discussion you seem to have taken it a little to seriously… As for my thoughts, I think you missed the few times I mentioned the word “assuming you have”, I realize a 100% stock car will need more parts, IE some of the ones I won’t need and many others won’t need, but lets be real here for a minute how many B8 S4 guys will go from stock to stage III? Most that will buy the blower are stage II+ already… So, there is no way APR would say to a customer who has already bought a part that you need to buy it again as part of our “kit” thus why I broke those things out… They also won’t sell us parts we don’t need to make this work on our cars… I 100% agree a stock car will cost more to convert.

As for the tune, if you are already tuned I don’t think APR will add any additional costs but again I am speculating just as you are so I may be right or I maybe wrong? Only time will tell… I don’t think the kit is the kit as you say I think there will be multiple variations of the kit based on where your car is at and if those parts were purchased from APR… I bet if you have the cold front from AWE, APR won’t remove the CPS and nor should they, it’s akin to GIAC not selling APR customers the DSG tune IMO…

As for the IAT sensor please don’t put words in my mouth, I realize the RS4 has a sensor, but based on the “kit” for the RS4 you need a new IAT sensor since your going from NA to blown, we won’t need that… Here is the link to the product page where it mentions the need on the RS4… http://www.goapr.com/products/stage3plus_b7_rs4.html

As for your go buy the 1740 and do it yourself, the thought has crossed my mind as most of the other things are able to be sourced or I could have made at my brothers shop… Were not building a rocket ship here were upgrading a blower… Unfortunately, Eaton only sells to a select few and I could probably still get one but the tuning would be the biggest issue and I don’t want to use a custom Jfonz or the like tune… I would prefer to pay my 10K or so and have it sent to my house, install it, and enjoy it… Again, just my .02

#54

not too seriously at all. I’m supporting my argument and deconstructing yours. That’s all. If I misinterpreted part of it sorry about that. It’s not to attack primetime. I’m just saying “I think this and here’s why”.

That’s allowed still, right?

#55

Saki, Cool! Of course, I think that is why most of us are here discussing the cars we have passion for… In the end I don’t disagree with some of the costs you mention for stock cars and I understand trying to put a price on the kit… I guess my point is that there will be variations of the kit and for us stage II+ guys it will be cheaper than for a stock car, I know statin the obvious… At the end of the day the only cost I really care about(being selfish here for a minute) is the one I will pay…

#56

I still don’t get hte IAT thing. Their site says the use the OEM IAT sensor. Am I missing something?

Do they force you to get a new MAF and airbox? Or do they just integrate it somewhere else and need a new sensor? If so it’s like $20, shouldn’t be hundreds.

#57

Here is what it says… Sounds more like a relocation though… Given they mention OEM sensor I figured it would be a few hundred since anything OEM is priced through the roof…

The factory mass airflow sensor includes an intake air temperature (IAT) probe and is designed to provide the engine control unit (ECU) with air temperature information. Because the RS4 is converted from naturally aspirated to forced induction, the sensor must be relocated to ensure proper IAT measurement. The IAT sensor is absolutely critical for safe, reliable and powerful operation and as such, APR provides an OEM sensor and harness for placement just past the supercharger’s dual internal air-to-water radiators. The included harness allows for simple integration into the OEM wiring harness.

The sensor feeds correct IAT readings to the ECU, which provides closed loop control over various calibration decisions, such as desired ignition advance. This provides safe operation no matter what the condition. During a cold day, with lower supercharger coolant temperature, the ECU will safely increase engine output mainly through ignition. However, under hot conditions, such as a vehicle seeing plenty of track time, the ECU will compensate for these conditions, lowering output slightly to avoid dangerous premature detonation. These compensations result in only attempting to safely achieve the maximum amount of power capable during any given temperature related scenario.

IAT Sensor position with JHM Stage 1+ A2W Inter-cooler & Killer Chiller?
#58

Well whatever it costs, looks like Richib will be getting one before Prime . . .

[QUOTE=Arin@APR;9359504]We will be fully testing the DSG before release and the intent is to release the kit for the 6MT first. Under our belt is already the RS4/RS5 DSG stage 3 and our S6/S7 4.0t stage 2 (maybe even more power out of that one in the future too) ;-). Both put out far more torque already without issue, and just like all the other DSG units we’ve worked with for years, it’s not the ticking time bomb transmission some were scared into thinking it was.
[/quote]
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/517989-Teaser-APR-3-0-TFSI-Stage-III-Supercharger-System?p=9359504&viewfull=1#post9359504

#59

Those are weird references. The S4 doesn’t have the same transmission as any of the other cars he mentioned. Very odd.

#60

It’s surprising that they will be releasing the 6MT kit first, given the conventional wisdom that that transmission is weaker than the DSG (with respect to handling increased power/torque). Has APR mentioned anything about a clutch upgrade for the 6MT kit? Can’t imagine many manual guys would want to slap on the new blower while still running on the stock clutch.

#61

Agreed. I imagine Arin’s car being 6MT might have something to do with it.

#62

I don’t think APR will make a clutch with JHM coming to the party.

#63

OEM RS4 has the IAT sensor integrated into the MAF sensor. That sensor is pre charger and pre cooler. We use an OEM IAT sensor from another application.

You can’t supercharge one of these engines without having an IAT sensor after charging and cooling. Well, you can, but it would be a stupid mistake.

The S4 uses two T-MAP sensors (Map and IAT sensor in one). They are located after the charger and cooler, right before the cylinder head intake ports.

IAT Sensor position with JHM Stage 1+ A2W Inter-cooler & Killer Chiller?
#64

Makes sense.

What else (major) is different between the rs4 kit and s4 kit?

Will you give a credit for guys who bought stage 1 or 2 tuning already?

Is the stage 2 pulley used in the 3 kit or is it basically made redundant?

Is the CPS required?

Will you make it a kit or will you make it a la carte down to cooling, tuning etc?

Thanks.

#65

clutch will be required at this torque level. The RS4 made 490 WTQ. Or HTQ . HUB. even if you guys make 400 it will be curtains for the stocker before long.

JHM has a great clutch for the B8. Tried it in California. Feels like stock, allows hooliganism. Good times. They have a half dozen on the shelf (well they were on the Thursday but they were spoken for already).

Speaking of, who is the member here from NORCAL with a B8 S4?

#66

Thx for the comic relief, I suppose that you will never let me live that one one down…lol :smiley:

Joking aside, from my many a conversations directly with APR reps, the CPS will be highly recommended, but not sold as part of the kit. Also, the same goes for an upgraded clutch. Any kind of upgraded fuel pump will definitely not be required, ours are good for much more than this kit will demand. All that in mind, as sold for the B8S4, and for customers with any existing APR stage (1, 2 or 2+)software, will cost less than $10k. I’ve asked in person at many different types of car shows/events, and that’s what I have been told. Unless they find something last minute, that will bump up the price a few grand, that is what I truly believe this kit will cost us (B8S4).

Stop trying to justify this kit will cost around $15k, because it won’t. Like others have stated, it would not be cost effective that this kit cost over $15k, and make only 60-70awhp more than the Stg2+ kit. It seems to me and others, that you are almost hating the fact that this kit could cost $10k less than that of a RS4 kit… be happy for us lmao!

Either that or talk to your connections at JHM and convince them to make a more powerful, lesss expensive kit!! ;D

euroswagr, stfu pls. :wink:

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#67

I have a lot of reading to do

#68

I bet you the APR Stage 3 kit when released for the B8 S4 won’t be a TVS1740.

#69

that’s a huge prediction!

#70

Are you saying that there’s a group of B8 S4 owners that sit around and discuss my posts privately? And opine on my intentions with starting this thread?

You have GOT to be kidding me. Who the fuck are these people?

I hope the kit costs $2,000. I don’t care, I’m not buying it.

Why… The fuck… Would I not want to see it be cheap? Seriously think about how dumb you sound.

You think I’m jealous the almighty B8 S4 kit may be half the price of the APR RS4 kit, (which I would never buy in a million years) ? Or am I jealous of how fast the APR3 B8 S4 can be?

Hahahahaha you really are insecure. Just be happy with your car for what it is, and don’t be so hung up on what others (me) think of it. This thread was a potentially good discussion on the market price of a LOOOONG anticipated product. That’s all my dear. As you can see it was a few pages of opinion and discussion and a bunch of votes. Other than you acting like a butthurt bitch trying to start RS4 VS S4 drama that is.

Funny, most of the B8 S4 vs RS4 trolling slowed down once TTSMRC launched their 11.4 @ 125 kit (on pump) in the UK. It ground to a halt once JHM went 11.1 @ 125 on pump and APR moved into the 10s on race gas. I guess now that B8 trolls (like you and your mates) have lost any hope you’re now focusing on price trolling?

#71

You STFU, you babble too much. There are two separate discussions here now, which makes the thread confusing. For a stage ZERO (stock) B8S4 owner, the kit will not be 10k or less. That is basically the point of the discussion. I also think it would be stupid to not run CPS or supporting hardware, like Saki mentioned it would be like the stage 3 MINUS B5 guys.

The majority of us don’t care about the APR B7RS4 kit, we are using it as a comparison because the kits are very similar…specifically the charger assembly. Is it a nice kit, sure, but it wouldn’t be the one I go with especially for $20k. I could have a built motor and stage2+ for $7k more.

FYI if JHM does get into the 3.0T game, which I suspect they will…they will probably CHANGE the fucking GAME.