I think he was referencing the old B5 funnel jokes
infinkc: jran76:A funnel… Hmm.
Lol! Why are they making people take out a stout aluminum reservoir for that? I’d hope that’s an option.
Not an option, its a larger tank and personally prefer it so that I can easily monitor coolant levels for the blower
Saki, thanks! I was thinking more you’d grudgingly give me credit for sticking with a big old German NA V8 :-). If I wasn’t on Tapatalk I’d karma you.
richib86:Someone had asked on one of the forums if this kit is maxed out. It is not. There will be different pulley options down the road for different boost setups. Of course there will be a point where internals will be needed but baby steps lol
Thanks Rich for coming back here…yeah questions for sure…
1.) Have they said what pulley you are getting or offered any choices? I’m curious how fast they want to spin that blower, and what PRs/boost levels they are aiming for.
2.) Are they offering 91/93/100/104 tunes?
3.) is communication through APR or Magnusson? Curious who will support the upgrade path that goes from here, esp in terms of tuning.
An aside, I’m kinda floored there’s no HPFP upgrade, when the injectors must be close to maxed out on race has stage II. Unless they don’t need to run the 11.0 AFRs like the stage II setups did, because of the increased 1740 blower efficiency.
And promise you’ll do some logs…definitely want to see how they calibrated the mass flow of the new blower with the new pressure/IAT/AFR.
- they are offering a conservative pulley and testing with a smaller pulley right now in house but plan to have several options down the road from mild to wild.
- there will be a standard full range of octane maps that we are used to.
- i guess we will see :-\
As for the HPFP, magnusun told me that due to the great efficiency of the blower they saw no need for it at this particular juncture but down road, who knows.
richib86:What’s up people. It’s been a good LONG while since I logged in here but ron inspired me lol. I have mine being installed today. Someone hacked out of this unit so I jumped in. Ask away
Another great member returns. Rich think about maybe making your own thread on this. It would be good to have a thread here so you an actually speak about your thoughts on a forum that wont fill the post with flame posts. So far it sounds like the guys who have gotten this kit are more tools then real car guys. It would be nice to have good information from a good sorce
Once I pick up the car tonight/tomorrow I will for sure start a thread
Rich come by us… I’ll dust off the vag com laptop and help out. It’s been a while since I made up some data graphs.
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until I do a clutch the drag strip is out, but i’ll happily come back out to mexico for some data logging and maybe some pulls with petes dads car ;D
drob23: infinkc: jran76:Yep, thanks for posting Richi. Please keep us posted.
I did find a pic that details exactly what Richi indicated was installed. I guess the HPFP is only needed for E85 or beyond what the basic tuning of this kit offers…
A funnel… Hmm.
Haha higher displacement funnel???
Probably so you can gravity bleed the blower. I wonder if it has similar bleed screws to the 1320. Does the divorced system still burp in the same way as factory?
I think he was referencing the old B5 funnel jokes
Ahh…ok
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tsivas27:Rich come by us… I’ll dust off the vag com laptop and help out. It’s been a while since I made up some data graphs.
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until I do a clutch the drag strip is out, but i’ll happily come back out to mexico for some data logging and maybe some pulls with petes dads car ;D
Yes definitely come by us. The test strip is waiting.
richib86: tsivas27:Rich come by us… I’ll dust off the vag com laptop and help out. It’s been a while since I made up some data graphs.
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until I do a clutch the drag strip is out, but i’ll happily come back out to mexico for some data logging and maybe some pulls with petes dads car ;D
Yes definitely come by us. The test strip is waiting.
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You knew this day would come lol
Jspazz:Saki, thanks! I was thinking more you’d grudgingly give me credit for sticking with a big old German NA V8 :-). If I wasn’t on Tapatalk I’d karma you.
richib86:Someone had asked on one of the forums if this kit is maxed out. It is not. There will be different pulley options down the road for different boost setups. Of course there will be a point where internals will be needed but baby steps lol
Thanks Rich for coming back here…yeah questions for sure…
1.) Have they said what pulley you are getting or offered any choices? I’m curious how fast they want to spin that blower, and what PRs/boost levels they are aiming for.
2.) Are they offering 91/93/100/104 tunes?
3.) is communication through APR or Magnusson? Curious who will support the upgrade path that goes from here, esp in terms of tuning.
An aside, I’m kinda floored there’s no HPFP upgrade, when the injectors must be close to maxed out on race has stage II. Unless they don’t need to run the 11.0 AFRs like the stage II setups did, because of the increased 1740 blower efficiency.
And promise you’ll do some logs…definitely want to see how they calibrated the mass flow of the new blower with the new pressure/IAT/AFR.
- they are offering a conservative pulley and testing with a smaller pulley right now in house but plan to have several options down the road from mild to wild.
- there will be a standard full range of octane maps that we are used to.
- i guess we will see :-\
As for the HPFP, magnusun told me that due to the great efficiency of the blower they saw no need for it at this particular juncture but down road, who knows.
OK, I have some questions
- who is they?
- which house is ‘in house’?
primetime:APR not having a stake in the hardware makes me nervous and leary…
I also talked to a fellow in the vehicle division at Eaton with direct involvement in their blower program, and I’ll leave it at that… He said Magnusson bought way too many of these things for the project to just be killed and he told me that a while ago. So did APR say we’re not comfortable with this and Magnusson said fuck that we’re doing it you guys just provide the tune? I’m guessing it was something along those lines but that’s speculation.
You are onto something. Now just imagine if there was a contract stipulating X# of purchases and a company realizing that they could never sell that many after signing said contract years ago…
are you referring to APR bailing on a contract on Magnusson? or Magnusson bailing on Eaton?
you’re either dumber than dumb, or are trolling
either one is worthy of your forum life ending. Hopefully your karma reflects this in short order.
You think about me too much.
richib86: Jspazz:Saki, thanks! I was thinking more you’d grudgingly give me credit for sticking with a big old German NA V8 :-). If I wasn’t on Tapatalk I’d karma you.
richib86:Someone had asked on one of the forums if this kit is maxed out. It is not. There will be different pulley options down the road for different boost setups. Of course there will be a point where internals will be needed but baby steps lol
Thanks Rich for coming back here…yeah questions for sure…
1.) Have they said what pulley you are getting or offered any choices? I’m curious how fast they want to spin that blower, and what PRs/boost levels they are aiming for.
2.) Are they offering 91/93/100/104 tunes?
3.) is communication through APR or Magnusson? Curious who will support the upgrade path that goes from here, esp in terms of tuning.
An aside, I’m kinda floored there’s no HPFP upgrade, when the injectors must be close to maxed out on race has stage II. Unless they don’t need to run the 11.0 AFRs like the stage II setups did, because of the increased 1740 blower efficiency.
And promise you’ll do some logs…definitely want to see how they calibrated the mass flow of the new blower with the new pressure/IAT/AFR.
- they are offering a conservative pulley and testing with a smaller pulley right now in house but plan to have several options down the road from mild to wild.
- there will be a standard full range of octane maps that we are used to.
- i guess we will see :-\
As for the HPFP, magnusun told me that due to the great efficiency of the blower they saw no need for it at this particular juncture but down road, who knows.
OK, I have some questions
- who is they?
- which house is ‘in house’?
- magnusun
- magnusun and apr
Arin actually just posted some additional details. He says this is now the way APR/Magnuson will do business on all future kits. Also, 11.1@121.5 in 4200 DA. That’s with a smaller pulley APR will release, 104 fuel, and lightweight mods (basically, no exhaust, seats, LW rotors, no spare/tools).
Glad to see some actual numbers and a comprehensive info dump. Funny that magnuson allowed the shops to make those threads while this is what they should have waited for.
Interesting split of work/roles, makes sense for APR in that they focus solely on the software and hedge their risk with the hardware. The multiple pulley thing seems kind of strange…who is gonna shell out for that kit without wanting “the best”. Seems sort of like a weird compromise between apr/magnuson. If APR is always writing the software, I wouldn’t want to take risks with magnuson swapping pulleys independently.
Wonder if GIAC or REVO will write software for that kit…
West you are just a custom NASA underbody/diffuser and $500 modbargains front lip away from 12’s. Have faith.
I guess I’ll go back to the drag strip. How many times do I have to go until the conditions are right and times within a standard deviation of the record can be set? It doesn’t seem like a gasoline motor is capable of repeating an experiment like: take 2 stock S4’s, perform 2 mods, and achieve equal performance. There’s a lot of undocumented technique and no instruction on how to achieve those techniques, so it’s unsurprising most newbies only pull out a 13 even though there are claims of 11’s. Did you heat your tires to 160F? Use the lane with crazy sticky asphalt and 1.5 coefficient of friction? Source 108 octane fuel from a guy who knows a guy who wholesales it (because it’s not available at retail).
My main argument is I can go to a road course on almost any day and show you a 2:09 at Thunderhill or a 1:46 at Laguna. Doesn’t matter if it’s sunny or cloudy, cold or hot, it can even have rained earlier. It’s teachable and repeatable.
Kits like this TVS1740 seem to decrease the repeatability of performance, which is insane to me.
Arin actually just posted some additional details. He says this is now the way APR/Magnuson will do business on all future kits. Also, 11.1@121.5 in 4200 DA. That’s with a smaller pulley APR will release, 104 fuel, and lightweight mods (basically, no exhaust, seats, LW rotors, no spare/tools).
And they did all that with the stock headers as well.
Hmmm… Wonder if my email exhange with APR and Magnuson had anything to do with that… ;D
Hmm, that might be a bit hard to read, let me try that again, click on the image to view a bigger size
Hmmm… Wonder if my email exhange with APR and Magnuson had anything to do with that… ;D
I’m sure it made them realize they need to get out in front of this before things got too out of hand. I can’t imagine this is how anyone wanted the launch to go, but it begs the question why they didn’t work this out with the vendors selling it in the beta+ phase… The way they did the launch makes some sense, but not the way it handled from a marketing standpoint.