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#161

Based on what jones trapped on the 1320 in slightly shit conditions but with good ET, it sounds like it can be pushed a little further than many thought. Making that delta even smaller. I know a couple of other cars have trapped high but generally that was off bad ET, namely bad launches, which actually artificially inflates MPH.

If he goes and runs 11.40 @ 122 MPH in good DA, it’s going to be tough for people to justify paying another $6000-10,000 (whatever it is) to run 11.30 @ 123.

It’s interesting to note that

#162

I thought there was a pic at one point too, but can’t find it now. I’m assuming the hoses are for the coolant reservoir that is added as it looks like it attaches to the S/C coolant pipes directly, and then back down to the main coolant loop. I didn’t know about the plugs… It’s a little strange that there are so many unknowns with several shops posting about it, and now installing it. Definitely a big marketing fail as most people willing to drop $10k on something like this will want all the details, and not just 50% of them.

Yeah, I don’t see how a full on DIY is possible at this point. I know the owner of a new APR shop here, and I could maybe talk him into letting me do it there, but that’s probably not an option for most people. He just got setup with APR, and my guess is he is not going to be selling the supercharger (I haven’t asked yet).

#163

what happened to ‘oh it’s like an hr to install’ that everyone was saying 2 years ago?

sounds like they’re just trying to control all variables

JHM for example doesn’t let anyone self install supercharger kits when they’re still beta testing. They generally run it on their own cars for a year or two, then do a couple of local installs, then a few more, then a few more then they open it up once they’ve developed an instruction manual.

Sounds like the magnusson kit is still in beta testing (even though everyone keeps doing official launch threads then deleting them lol) so no DIY is understandable. it will open up in 6 months or something for DIY guys.

Primetime you should do your best to get the 1320 record. Sounds like you know what mod path jones took so if you can do something similar (not sure if it’s a GIAC only or APR compatible thing) that might answer your own question. If you can run something like I mentioned above…11.40 @ 122…will there really be any reason to bother with the 1740?

I have to grudgingly give credit to Jspazz because he said 2 years ago that he didn’t think a TVS1740 would add huge delta. Based on the fact we’ve heard what APR ran, and we’ve heard what Magnusson posted…he’s right so far. When APR tried to set records for the RS4, when they couldn’t beat JHM’s times, they pulled the seats, pulled the catback, and put track only wheels with racing slicks on, in a bit of a desperate move. So we know they will uncover all bases to set a time. If the times are as shit as they’re reporting, we can only assume there’s not much in it.

#164

Agreed. I think I would need to see something like 11.0@125+ to even start thinking about it. With that said, Jones probably has close to what the supercharger upgrade would cost in his car’s performance mods, so it begs the question of what is the better option if you have a completely stock car (most don’t that would consider this right now).

If you could really do this for say $11k with a coolant system, and no other mods, and run a 11.3@122, that maybe worthwhile for someone that does not already have a crapload invested in their car. It’s basically $5k more than a stage 2 pulley/tune and exhaust that with no other mods maybe gets you into the low 12’s@113…

To get a stage 2 car into the mid-11’s, you’re looking at test pipes/HFC, lightweight brakes/wheels, intake, etc. Jones has headers, meth, and several other things that push him close to or even beyond stage 3 costs at the end of the day; with a lot more trial and error and effort involved.

#165

I guess maybe another way to sum it up would be, there are two ways to get to the mid-11’s@120 range. Go stage 2 with every possible supporting mod, or go stage 3 with a coolant system and no other mods. At the end of the day, you might end up spending a little more on stage 3, but also have a slightly faster car with more long-term potential.

The issue they are going to run into is that most people that would consider this right now (I.E. out-of-warranty) already have a lot invested in performance mods. I already have $7k in engine performance mods installed on my car, and realistically the best case scenario for my car is high-11’s@115 or so. I’d basically have to eat the $2k I have invested in my current tune/pulley, and invest another $10k on the S/C upgrade, to get down to mid-11’s and gain 5-6 MPH.

#166

Saki, Trust me lots of thoughts going through my head… I could do that mod and a few others, one of which I’m confident would match/beat the new blower but I’d 100% be the beta tester… lol The car will do better than 11.3 at 120 I have no doubt of that… How much better? Not sure until someone else runs it, logs it, etc. Not sure how soon I’ll see that so I guess I could wait and see… I’m just impatient and need something to get me juiced about racing and the car again, or just dump it to the wife… I want to run 10’s in this thing… lol

Another thing I was worried about was/is future support on tuning and such but it sounds like APR is committed which makes me feel better, however as we’ve seen that can change real quick…

I’m fortunate through hard work and such to be able to drop 9K and not have to worry about it but I don’t want to throw money away either… first world problems… decisions decisions…

#167

Pete showed that a B8.5 could run mid 11’s@118 with only intake/pulley/tune/dsg tune/race gas/exhaust I believe. Maybe I have something wrong there, but essentially, minimal mods with good conditions (especially if no exhaust is needed).

The thing to me that is weird is they are talking about times ran in “3000 DA 100 deg F Alabama heat”. They’ve had the car for years along with guys like Ron who would have been happy to beta test. Instead, they blew engines, had financial woes, and passed the project back to Magnusson. Now it’s being pushed by loser shops who have no clue about marketing or S4 performance (that AZ thread created by the vegas shop was a joke and an embarrassment).

To me it’s pretty clear, if there was a worthwhile performance gain to be had, we would have seen it. Seriously, there have to be multiple guys floating around with beta versions…why no performance stats? But there are tons of guys with fu money who don’t care about being the fastest, just saying they are. Will have to see if guys like Josh and Ron take the plunge, that’s really the only hope IMO

#168

Mike, Agreed… Shit I went 12.06 with tune, intake, and catback in killer DA…

APR not having a stake in the hardware makes me nervous and leary… The launch has been laughable and the dude in vegas has been the worst, doesn’t even know what kind of air filter our car uses and can’t do basic math… I’m pretty sure APR wouldn’t argue this but I don’t think we’ll hear anything from them honestly…

If I could see a set of logs with timing, boost, iat’s, etc it would make the decision much easier, but I don’t see that happening soon… I PM’ed Richi but haven’t heard back from him…

I also talked to a fellow in the vehicle division at Eaton with direct involvement in their blower program, and I’ll leave it at that… He said Magnusson bought way too many of these things for the project to just be killed and he told me that a while ago. So did APR say we’re not comfortable with this and Magnusson said fuck that we’re doing it you guys just provide the tune? I’m guessing it was something along those lines but that’s speculation.

#169

What’s up people. It’s been a good LONG while since I logged in here but ron inspired me lol. I have mine being installed today. Someone hacked out of this unit so I jumped in. Ask away

#170

What up, richi. Good to see you posting here again. I’ll let the others ask most of the questions. Only thing I really want to know is whether you plan on hitting the track sometime after installation. Thanks.

#171

Hey, Rich!

How’s it going?

What’s being installed (apart from the blower)? Any fuel pump upgrades?

It’d be great to get an idea of what mod encompasses. You already have the aftermarket cooler right?

#172

I am still on my stock clutch. Let me see how that holds up first. But I’ll happily do rolls until I figure that all out. When I do the clutch, my headers will be going back in

#173

We got a sweet clutch setup when you are ready ;D

#174

Believe me, Dan already has me on lock haha

#175

Good to be back on this forum. Wedding had me all tied up for awhile. But now I’m locked in lol. Back to my hobbies.
I have a full cps on the car, roc euro intake and everything else available lol. The blower kit is the charger unit itself. A larger coolant reservoir(which replaces the apr version) to separate the blower from the loop. Larger throttle body, larger diameter intake arm. All necessary coolant lines. The kit does not have an upgraded fuel pump. Also includes heat shields for the cats

#176

And tuning of course

#177

Definitely interested to hear your impressions. Thanks for providing actual details vs the fluff jobs on az.

#178

Yep, thanks for posting Richi. Please keep us posted.

I did find a pic that details exactly what Richi indicated was installed. I guess the HPFP is only needed for E85 or beyond what the basic tuning of this kit offers…


http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/jran76/image_933f303c383740b819b3d8d1bf309fc6c57a3537_zpsh2ztx76s.jpg

#179

Someone had asked on one of the forums if this kit is maxed out. It is not. There will be different pulley options down the road for different boost setups. Of course there will be a point where internals will be needed but baby steps lol

#180

this post…I like. Heavy on facts and cold hard truth.