REVO?

Total hater!!!

Well they came out with the 2.0t that’s fsi, the b7 one, that is a horrible engine, i know because I own one. You can tell it was the first of many revisions to a better fueling system. The hpfp design was self destructive. The revised variable cam timing was delicate, the list goes on and on. It was an engine that needed tons of work to get where it should be. It was also very underpowered. Back then and especially by today’s standards.

Then the b8 came out, fueling system was all figured out, proper injectors, a hpfp with a roller follower to extend lifetime significantly. Timing chain to avoid timing belt related failures, overall a much better engine.

Then the b8.5 came out, I haven’t taken a look at the engine but from what I hear it’s the same engine as in the mk2 allroad, and so now Audi finally made fully variable cam timing which is great, since they seem to be lining up in .5 liter increments. 2,2.5,3,4,5. Probably because they found a good rod ratio that worked for them, anyway since displacement in the 4 cyl wasn’t going to increase, the head is where all the power is gonna come from and they pulled through on that.

And on this fourth revision, which the a4 hasn’t received yet, they did some really great things. B6 to b7, the turbo grew very nicely, b7 to b8 the turbo grew again. I’m not sure about b8 to b8.5, but the newest gen runs a massive turbo, well massive for what you compare my turbo to, and they get away with it because of the design. There is no manifold anymore, like the ford ecoboost i4’s Audi is now making their 4 bangers the the manifold cast into the head, so you just bolt the turbo right onto the head, which reduces volume substantially and you can get away with a bigger turbo, twin scroll also doesn’t hurt. They revamped the cooling system so the car comes up to temp minutes faster, the bottom end was overhauled tremendously, the main journals were narrowed down to reduce the surface area the crank makes contact on,decreasing friction, they shaved several pounds from the crank, they use much better rods than in theb7. In the b7, you want to make 300 wheel hp you better have rods for that slight chance you predetonate. 5 or 6 guys have had bent rods from having an upgraded turbo and no rods.,this new revision 2.0t looks like it could do well over 400hp on stock rods

I could go on forever about it. It’s a superior engine in every way. And it should be it’s 10 years more modern than the original 2.0t, it’s just hilarious the amount of money you have to sink into a first gen 2.0t, you need a full engine build and turbo to compete with a stage 1 or 2 fourth gen

You missed the part where the stock turbos keep on failing with the stock tune.

what’s a mk2 allroad?

On the fourth gen?

Second generation allroad.

B8 a4 based all road? I’m guessing the “mk1 allroad” would be the c5 allroad. Mec, don’t forget the allroad is still available in A6 size in Europe through the c6 and c7 body styles. So mk2 allroad is a bit of a misnomer. At least that is what I think saki is getting at.

AFAIK only the tune changed from B8 to B8. 5

^ there are a few more diff between the B8 and B8.5 Ea888 2.0T. One obvious one…the manuals didn’t seem to get it but all the tips including AR now have metal intake manifolds and have the “bits” to support E85.

Huh I did not know that. It always seemed strange that they killed the allroad in just one generation. I guess it lived on in Europe

If anything the current A4 AR would be considered a" mk1" as an A4 b8.5, while the A6 based AR has been around since ~1999 and is “Mk3”…C5/6/7

Consider “allroad” to be a trim level that can be applied to various Audi Avants. It so happens only the c5 a6 and b8 a4 versions came here.

Anyone know if the current allroad a4 has been a good seller over here?

I see about 50 B8 S4’s for every B8 Ar…not a technical stat but take it for what it’s worth :slight_smile:

From what I’ve heard the q5 is all the rage. Leases for them are through the roof, haven’t heard much about the allroad. I don’t see nearly half as many of them around town as I see q5’s. Everyone and their mother drives a q5.

good guestimate

SWAG as they say. I agree.

Got a call from Revo. They have a tune for my 8.5 ECU and DSG. Will dyno with existing APR, install, Revo tunes and dyno again, same shop, same day.

I’ve seen more r8’s than b8 allroads recently

Looking forward to your results.

Thanks, me too! Will keep all advised.

Before you dyno with the old software clear the codes and try taking intake temp readings before each run. When I say temp readings I mean the temperature of the actual blower. If you let the car sit for a long time if can dyno lower due to heat soak or dyno way better because it cooled down.

You’ve been waiting quite some time for them to get this together for you. I’d assume a track trip won’t be far behind the flash updates?

I’m running an APR CPS so hopefully I will not have a heat soak problem?

I’ll try. Have one weekend end at home after install and then going on a two week road trip. The good news is that Coastal Planes Drag strip in Jacksonville NC is open year round.