RodV8's - 00' S4 JHM Stage 3

Lol, the perennial argument of dragstrip aversion. I’m not really on one side or the other; I drive my car daily, accelerate plenty, enjoy it, but I also plan on going to the dragstrip when I rebuild my tranny, so I’ve got one foot in either side of this argument. However, I have to comment on where I differ in opinion with what you say. Like I said, I drive my car plenty aggressively daily (for example, when I went on a cruise with a K04 car buddy the other day he said he hadn’t driven his car that hard since he had owned it, yet I do some spirited driving like that in my car virtually daily). However getting on an onramp and accelerating hard, I still don’t put NEAR the stress I do when I’m actually trying to race somebody and bang through the gears quickly, because on the onramp I shift probably a third as fast as when I race, and I’m only shifting through one, maybe two, gears. I am able to gingerly make sure everything is right, cause it’s not like the Dodge Caravan I’m trying to pass is going to be able to accelerate to stop me from getting over. When I downshift on the highway to pass someone, I can easily downshift with care, go WOT, then back off at 85mph. Launching from a stop at a prepped track and banging through the gears as quickly as possible is infinitely more compromising on the drivetrain than daily driving a car relatively hard.

Some people couldn’t care less about the dragstrip, yet still enjoy accelerating plenty every single day in their “big dyno sheet cars with shiny wheels.” Just because someone may choose to not take their car to the track (for whatever the reason may be), doesn’t mean that they “built their 500whp car NOT to accelerate.” Some people might simply choose to enjoy their car in the absence of the track. And not having gone to the track doesn’t make them enjoy their car any less on the street daily. To equate someone taking their car to the track as “someone building a car to drive it” (and conversely someone who doesn’t take their car to the track as someone who ‘doesn’t drive it’) is often the exact opposite of the truth. Often the people who build their car to do well at the 1/4 mile are the people who only drive that car for 12 seconds at a time a couple of times per month, and daily drive a different car; and often the people who daily drive their big power builds (and may not go to the dragstrip) are the people who are the ones really ‘driving’ their car far more (canyons, freeway pulls, street races with friends, spirited daily driving, etc).

Cheesy tie-in, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does the tree make a sound (if an honest 1500hp, 8sec car chooses not to go to the track, does not going to the track make the car drive any less quickly on the street?)?

You do have a valid point when people claim “this is an X sec car” or “this car is faster than that car” and then not backing up anything they say. I’m not referring to this case though, I’m referring to the people who simply might not care to take their car to the track.

Obviously nobody must hit the strip (well…the tuning cos should be forced to)…but it is baffling when people will streetrace…will dyno all day
…will talk about how awesome their car is but they wont test it…then use this “the car will explode if i do” line.
When i said build to drive it i didnt say drive vs not hitting the strip…i clearly said vs polishing it and talking dyno sheets.

The guys who talk their car up the most seem to be the most afraid of the hp lie detector is all…

P.s
look who i replied to last page…then look at what he said…then look at his signature. thanks :slight_smile:

I suck at life.

I have no problem with you taking issue with specific people/cars/shops/whatever, but to act like the potential wear/failure of going to the drag strip isn’t a valid concern is to try to go against the countless examples of car failures at the track. Potential failure from trying to run one’s car hard at the track is a valid concern, independent of whether or not a specific person may use it as an excuse.

My reply was independent of anyone in particular, and this is far from the only time you’ve tried to make this point :wink:

So you didnt look at who posted that and just wanted an argument?ok

Also lots of guys manage to go to the strip with no problem. Just because the guys who do break scare you…doesnt mean its common or normal. There are thousands of healthy s4 passes…why are the rare broken cars considered the predictor of what will happen?
Is it because people are far more reactive to bad news than good? hmmm

I did look at who posted what, and I responded to your post. An internet forum is for discussion. You’ve made this same point more than a few times, so when you made the point here, I chose to respond this time. Not looking for an argument per se, just responding to what you said, and my response was in generalities, but still applicable to whom you were speaking to (as well as everyone else, hence I said independent of anyone in particular).

And cars breaking at the strip is far from rare. Less than 50% (so a minority), sure, but there are more than a few isolated vocal cases like you’re trying to make it sound like. Just like there’s plenty of non-internet documented cases of successful outings to the drag strip, there’s also plenty of undocumented failed outings to the drag strip as well. Taking one’s high-powered car to try to bang out a good time at the drag strip is a risk, straight up. It’s a calculated risk that one has to decide if they care enough to take, but it is a risk. And it doesn’t necessarily scare me, personally. I plan on hitting the strip when I get my tranny fixed. Like I said, I’m speaking generally to the other side of the coin that you try to invalidate because it “baffles” you or is “weird” that someone might not care enough (or might personally weigh the risks greater than the rewards) about the drag strip to ever make it out there.

Meh…youre juat makig shit up

Ive been to the strip in audis prob 12 times. i have gone with prob 30 other audi owners. we have made hundreds of passes and the only thing that broke was notorious vrs shift knob.

In those dozen or so track days literaly 500-1000 pases were made each day. i have aeen maybe 10 cars break. so…that i know of…10 out of probably 1000 cars went home unhappy.

Anyway im noy going to bother wiyh this. i know cars brrak…but its sure as duxk closer to 1% yhan it is yo 49%

Hell go start a poll on audizine.

Have you been to the dragstrip?

  1. yes and my car broke (clutch…axle…etc)
  2. yes and my car was fine
  3. no ive never been
  4. no ive never been because im afraid my car will break

Do it…itll be interesting

P.s. Touch screen phone equals spelling disaster

And… this is where the conversation starts to break down. You can accuse me of making stuff up… and your mom is fat. Baselessly accusing me of lying doesn’t help you in your attempt to invalidate people choosing not to take their big power cars to the drag strip.

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And how many of those Audi’s were 500whp+? I’m guessing likely only notoriousVR (definitely not 30 of them). And if you want a poll, post one yourself.

Anywho, this convo has devolved into questioning credibility/lie accusations, so this is where I bow out. Continue on with your passive-aggressive posts of being ‘baffled’ at these ‘weird’ situations where people don’t care enough about the drag strip to go.

Lol you were just making up statistics.

I can’t start the poll because I am banned for annoying advertisers. Why not start it? Feeling lucky?:slight_smile:

Tons of the cars at the strip are 500 wheel or more. .

Let me ask this… how many times have you been to the strip?

I’m not going to start trying to prove my credibility to you. I don’t care if you believe me, my points stand on their own, independent of myself. There are plenty of examples of big power Audi’s having issues at the track, that are easily searchable on the forums that you frequent (which are verifiable independent of the others that I know of that are not documented on the forums). If you care enough to try to claim some concrete statistics about it, go ahead and search through the years of postings. I really am done with this convo for this thread. You can continue to try to invalidate people who honestly don’t care about the drag strip, yet enjoy their big power cars. You’re passive-aggressive attempts at belittling their stance are ridiculous and blatant enough that I don’t need to say anything other than what I’ve said.

you CANT start proving your credibility EVER cause you have NONE to begin with, so go home little boy with your balls in your hand!

I agree it seems more b5s are down due to boost leaks and bad 02 sensors then being in jepitory of breaking at the track. Let’s be honest if you goto the track the amount of cars that actually break is closer to -2%. Look at all the cars both domestic and other wise when you goto the track. Even with some of the ghetto superstar cars at the track less then 5% of them break

Yet the amount of excuses of why b5s don’t go fast at the track is closer to +75%

I would be willing to say that the -50% of b5s are down due to just being broken or in modified build status

I don’t get jive

He’s the I one who came in claiming all these cars break. anyone who has been to the strip knows that’s just not the case…and when you ask him to back it up, or suggest a nice way to pool the s4 guys… he takes off

the average test and tune day has between 50 and 300 cars. If even five percent were to break that would be two on a slow day to fifteen on a busy day…and anyone who has ever been to the strip a few times would know that’s not true…nowhere near it. We would never get any phases in if it were true…they would constantly be cleaning up the track

That is supposed to say passes not phases

Blackberry 1…Android 0

Typing is useless…as is scrolling in an edit post window

Are you using tapatalk? We should move all of these OT posts from these build threads so if anyone uses Rod’s build as a reference they don’t have to wade through the banter.

that’s the beauty of forums…it ebbs and flows. It’s not all info…some info, some entertainment, some ot phone talk, all fun.

When I get my car back as a stage 3 B5 S4, I’ll surely take the car to the track to see how it does. If I didn’t, curiosity would drive me out of my mind. However, I’m not going to thrash it out of the box. I’m not going “all out” on my launch. Whatever number I end up with, I’ll assume could be a little better. No big deal. To me.

That being said, I have no trouble understanding why somebody would be reluctant to truly push/test their car when they get it back. I bought my car for $10k and will be putting about $25k into it. So there’s one factor. Another factor is I’ll be waiting probably 3-4 months (if I’m lucky) to get the car back. The last thing I want to do is see how far I can push it so that I can break something two days after I get it back and wait 4-6 weeks for parts to arrive, 4-6 weeks for the shop to get started and another 4-6 weeks for them to finish.

My main ambition is to drive a car that I like. Not break it to satisfy a few people on the internet.

My first night at the track with this car is going to be my last until either I get a new significant part or improve my driving skills enough to make a difference in the quarter.

I’ve always wanted to know what the B5 guys did for insurance. The medium to big builds (not custom one off stuff) still have a lot of money in them, and as far as generic value of the car, it often equals and exceeds it. But usually you mention that to insurance up front and they either drop you instantly b/c you’re obviously a reckless speed freak, or they make you insure it like its a 80k car not a 30k car.

I’d just be interested what the b5 world does on that.

I could be wrong but from what I understand If you have receipts for the parts you buy insurance will cover them in the event of an accident/theft, etc.

I’d think you’d have to disclose the parts you have bought prior to the loss and they will adjust your rate up accordingly.