I’ll be the 3rd party.
Don’t take this personally, but do you have any buying/selling references from the forums? Ebay feedback? Possibly someone well-known on the forums to vouch for you? Can you maybe link to a post or thread that illustrates your general objectivity? Do you own a B5?
Like I said, don’t take it personally, I’m just looking to verify that you have the qualities to fulfill the roll/responsibilities I’m looking for, as I am not already familiar with you from the forums. Thanks for volunteering (as no one else has), and I’m looking forward to your reply.
So it’s not easy for him to float the $75 that inherently would require objectivity, have ramifications for not following though, and would require his accountability, but it is easy for me to drop $2k on a whim and drop everything in my life for a entire week for the glimmer of a hope that I might not have just been trolled by the biggest troll on the forums? Yeah, not going to happen. Like I said, the challenge is structured the way it is because it requires objectivity, requires accountability, and has inherent penalties for not following through. It doesn’t favor anybody.
If he doesn’t want to man up to the challenge, and won’t allow a 3rd party to hold him accountable (isn’t confident enough to put anything on the line to back up his trash talk), then I won’t worry about it either and will also just go to the track at my leisure, and we can compare slips if/when we both happen to go to the track at on our own time, with nothing on the line and only being taken at our word. If he wants to try to force his timeline in hopes of either running a damaged car or squirming out of the challenge all-together, then he can secure his intent by depositing the $75 with the mediator, and I will do my best to oblige him and his timeline if possible. If he wants to man up to the actual challenge, we both need to agree on a date that both of our cars will have no excuses (I have no intent to run my car at the track damaged, and I don’t care to see him have excuses in the chamber for when his performance sucks at the track; I honestly don’t care what he runs at the track if it is “on a bad transmission, bad clutch, rolling off the line, maybe blipping the throttle, etc”. Get it fixed to the point where you won’t be using it as an excuse, and then lets run, as nobody cares to see that a car can simply make it down the track.) And after we secure the date, we need to both be held accountable by securing our money with the mediator. Then it’s game on.
That is exactly the entire point. It requires objective accountability, the same for me as it would for him if one of us doesn’t follow through with our word. He has had zero penalties in the past for blatantly lying or not following through with his word for the past 3 or so years.
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I know that you, CV, the site creator, and all of the other unaffiliated parties just want to see a run either way (as would I if I were in your shoes), but I also know you already understand that my transmission is damaged, and that you understand the logic of it being pointless for me to run my car at the track damaged. I’m not going to re-quote my posts that explain this.
I can respect that you guys all just want to see at least something rather than nothing (as nothing is what is likely to happen when FAW doesn’t man up to the actual challenge), but until you can goad him into taking the actual challenge, or until you buy the transmission yourself and install it (of course I’m being facetious), it’s only going to go down the way that makes objective sense and requires accountability. Even at the expense of potentially disappointing thread when the other party doesn’t follow through.
Is 6-3-2012 ok with you and your excuses? If yes, We can figure something out with the Money.
Please respond before My car goes to sleep. Thanks JACKass.
no I don’t ‘already understand’ that your trans is damaged. Did you know that I have a stone chip on my left rear widebody fender on my Avus Silver RS4? Of course not. If you posted it somewhere earlier, maybe it was buried in a wall of text. I too am verbose…but I think you suffer from verbal diarrhea. Keep it more succinct and people will see all of the details.
I know jackshit about your car. Until 18 hrs ago, I thought it was a single turbo build. That’s why I asked. I was surprised by that revelation, and the fact that you were now basically using that as a reason to not run (ironic after alll the ‘nut up or shut up’ talk, don’t you think?).
We don’t all want to see you run to be honest. You’ve paved the way for a shitty result with a bunch of excuses yourself (the same thing you keep calling out FAW for). Watching you guys go run 12s-13s isn’t all that exciting. Sorry. I think the guys just want some resolution to this B.S.
He won’t respond to me.
Can you ask the ass if 6-3-2012 is ok with him and his evasive excuses. THANK ylu.
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If you honestly missed it, rather than spouting off in an attempt to see ‘some result’ instead none when FAW doesn’t man up to the real challenge, then yes, you need to pay better attention if you’re going to try to comment on the thread and its content. It’s been mentioned like 4 times in this thread, and I also posted this link in this thread, which is my direct reply to you from before FAW even made this thread, showing where I’ve said that my transmission is messed up and that I plan on hitting the strip after it is fixed.
Click the link in this quote (from reply #89 in this thread) for a memory refresher; the linked post was from a conversation with you:
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And I know you and the others just want to see a good race, but if you honestly think that I’m using my tranny as an excuse, you’re either ignorant of the truth or don’t want to see what’s really going on. My tranny has been messed up since the build has been done (6 months ago), and I’ve talked about it many times, before racing FAW was even a possibility (for example the quote below from the linked post on May 10th, before this FAW thread was even made.)
Read above, get your money secured with the mediator, and I’ll make the calls to figure out if I can make your self-appointed deadline, otherwise, lets work out a date where neither you nor I can have any excuses. This isn’t about the timeframe, it’s about the performance; why are you scared to run my car without a damaged transmission?
i think the point faw is making (and made with the repeated question of ‘is your car running’) is that your car isn’t exactly running. It’s walking. Limping.
Sorry I missed the trans stuff. I lol’d at the part where you cussed me out for not reading the whole thread and doing my homework. I didn’t realise your car was currently in such bad shape that it couldn’t accelerate hard. I know that iff my car was in such bad shape, I wouldn’t say ‘nut up or shut up’ 15 times in a row to someone. I’d say nothing about racing or goading someone because if they say yes, you just got your bluff called while holding 2-7.
Seems now that you’ve had your prayers answered, and FAW is going to hit the strip to meet your challenge, your transmission issue is holding the whole thing up. He gave you 10 days from yesterday (June 3rd) to get a pass in.
Maybe you should have written ‘nut up or shut up, but only on the slim to none chance I replace my transmission between now and then.’
As for ‘get your money secured with the mediator’, jnaut just posted that he would do it (he gets nothing for doing it, yet offered his time) and you basically threw a bunch of conditions at him that he’d need to satisfy to fulfill the volunteer job lol. He drives a barely modded B7 RS4, (and I’d bet a coke his times are faster than either of the two of you or faw ironically) and has his own shop down in FLA. He knows neither of you, and likely doesn’t give a fuck what happens.
Regarding Jnaut, I have no idea who he is, and I am very tactfully trying to verify that he is what I’m looking for in a mediator. Sorry, but I don’t give my money to random people on the internet, nor do I put people in positions that require objectivity without verifying their objectivity (could you imagine what would happen if I put Justincredible as the mediator :o). I’m not sure why you’re butthurt about it.
I have faith that you and basically everyone else reading this thread is intelligent enough to clearly see that the reason why faw asked if my car was running 4 times was so that he could try to justify this self-appointed timeline in hopes to either run a damaged car or to back out of the challenge all-together. He knew beforehand that my car is currently my daily driver with a damaged transmission (running, limping, walking, whatever you feel like terming it, it’s all semantics). The challenge has never been about the timeframe, it’s about the performance. If one re-reads the actual challenge I made, it explicitly states a timeframe of when my car is together and in good track-running form (I’ll re-post the original challenge below for reference.)
As I said before, just as I have no intent to run my car damaged, I have zero desire to see a run from FAW where he does anything other than go all-out without any excuses. ‘Nut up or shut up’ most definitely doesn’t mean, ‘go get to the track as fast as you can to make a run that doesn’t show anything conclusive about your car and is already full of excuses before you go.’ ‘Nut up or shut up’ coming from me means ‘accept the challenge that I put before you where there can be no excuses, where you will be required to be held accountable and where there are penalties for not following through on your word.’ In order to call someone’s bluff, you have to accept their challenge. Mu has not accepted the challenge, and will not do so by randomly running next week with no agreement, no money on the line, a checklist of excuses, and no accountability.
Read below for my challenge.
"I don’t recall specifically saying that my car will be faster, though I wouldn’t doubt that you’re one of maybe two people I’ve ever said that to.
I’ll stick by it though, and I’ll make you a wager that when my car is COMPLETELY done (meaning ALL of my accessories installed, motor broken in, tune dialed in, etc), that I’ll run a faster E/T in the quarter than you. We won’t ever be able to meet up in person, and dynos don’t mean anything, so E/T seems the most logical. Let’s say $75 via paypal to the winner? I’m willing to risk that much to make things interesting on the forums, as it won’t break the bank for either of us, and I’m willing to pay that in case I blow up my tranny or something and I can’t make a pass after we both agree on the wager. The loser would also have to admit that the other car is faster and can’t complain about the mods/weight/gas/whatever else of the car. It would simply be one car’s E/T against the other car’s E/T, period.
I would be willing to put a time limit on it too (like some date next summer or something), after I get a little further along with my car actually running and being broken in, etc. If you accept, we would have an impartial 3rd party hold both of our money in his paypal (like escrow), to disperse to the winner. Also, there would have to be proof by the slip, an uncut video of the pass with the car pulling back around after the pass (like the JHM 1/4mi video), and preferably an eyewitness (though a video will do). I know you’re a street racer, and you like to have high 1/4 mi times being public, so we could keep the video and times private if need be (though the winner will be announced publicly).
You have the advantage in many areas: you’re at sea level while I’m far from it, you’re running a MUCH larger turbo setup, you’re running standalone, your car is already a piece of crap so you probably don’t have any qualms about removing a bunch of stuff for weight savings (if you haven’t already), and I’m not going to be running meth (I don’t remember if you are or not). Time for you to put up Mu 
If you’d rather not accept the wager, that’s fine too, you just can’t say your car is faster than mine (though you can continue to troll my threads otherwise if you want, I really don’t care). This offer is more for entertainment than a real grudge. I don’t care about your car, and I didn’t build my car to race on the drag strip anyways. I built it for a daily driver and the road course. Anywho, man up Mu!
What do you guys think of this challenge? Let’s make it happen!"
hey asshole ,make your replies short like under 22,000 words. Its fucking hard reading books while drinking
I didn’t know you had a bad trans baby Mallard, Now that you bringing it up, I can feel your pain. Come let me give you a hug…I now see why you think you can talk shit to whomever you want and make excuses afterwards. You do it because you are pregnant, fat and feel you think aren’t desirable to the guy that got you pregnant anymore.
Guess what jibberJACKass, you are not pregnant, that isn’t a baby MALLARD in your stomach. I’m pretty sure that you are just full of cum!
You are a cum sucker and a giant facade.
Let me tell you something JACK, my trans is not in perfect condition either, so please stop telling us that you’re drinking beer, when you are in fact sipping on a bottle of nuts. hahaha.
You new from the beginning that your whole goal was to make me look bad, but you never anticipated me saying yes. Dude $75 is nothing. I just used that as your window to back out and you kept using it too. I always could see right through your skin, hahahaha.
Hey, I know you are afraid, but don’t want to admit it. I’m starting to feel bad for all the bad things I said about you in this thread and in the past. I’m gonna tone it down a little. " I don’t want you to commit stupid-cide ".
Wow, there you have it, the dregs of the Audi forums.
I would love for you to say yes to the challenge, but you haven’t done it yet. I’ll ask you for the 20th time, then probably leave it at this, because it’s obvious you aren’t intending on stepping up to the challenge:
Why are you scared to run me without my damaged transmission?
Damn, I thought I was gonna have some fun. IN FULL DETAIL: What is wrong with your trans? please speak the truth.
Jibberjive…you are now dodging the race just as you accuse faw of doing.
Hell I will take the challenge in my stock rs4…I think your car with it’s many shortfalls will struggle to run better than 13.000 and maybe 14.000 @ elevation.
This went from a callout by faw…to a callout by Jibberjive…to a classic B5 excuse party where nobody races because their cars are either broken or they are scared to break them further. You guys should have a fats time contest and a dyno contest instead of the quarter mile…make it a true B5 classic.
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And stay out lol.
My transmission needs to be rebuilt and has bad synchros. I’m not going to discourse with you about if my transmission needs to be rebuilt or not though. My challenge is there, plain as day, and will be as it always has been. You can either man up to the challenge, come to an agreement on the timeline, and secure the challenge with the wager, or you can dodge it, run your ‘rollout’ pass next week, and continue talking filth and trying to act cool. The choice is up to you, my offer is still on the table for 4 more days.
Saki can you please call me now! Thanks
Lol! This thread is like a soap opera. wth
No, I do not care about the outcome but I’ll do my part in helping out fellow drag racers . Yes I do own a shop here in fl ( wwwjspecautomotive.com ) and I am avid drag racer. jnaut600 one eBay 100% feed back. The only reason I am explaining myself as I want no excuses.
I appreciate you letting us know a little bit more about yourself. If FAW agrees, it looks like we’ve got our unbiased 3rd party.
So lets set a date then. I need til approx the end of July or so to get the car track-worthy. FAW, do you need any more time than that to get your car to where you’ll have no excues?
This tread was made into a flop by the flop king himself, JibberJACKass. Who in their right mind would wait over 2 months to E-race a Mallard for $75. My turbo cost me over $1,700 and I spent almost $100 cash for I think 1st day air delivery. Do you really think I’m gonna wait that long to take your $75, that will then have to be sent back to me. You need to stop smoking crack. Like I said to you before, your car is a lemon. PLease stop telling people you daily drive that Markku welded up flop. You are a joke, a clown and a fool for thinking I’m gonna wait for you to get off your period BITCH!
Im kinda with FAW on this. Looks like he set up jibber good. FAW clearly has no issues going to the track and has accepted the challenge. Now jibber is making a big issue of the third party.
Jibber in some respects if you continue to make issues over and over. It will start to look like your almost evertthing you accused FAW of being. I have faith in you and what you say but at this point FAW kinda APPEARS to have you over a barrel. HE has set a date and appears to be ready to go. Drop the money issue as its just turning into making you look like your stalling regardless of it thats true or not if you have issues iwth your transmission get a realistic time date.
Im not looking to take sides but if your both talking crap about eachothers cars and challanging that guy to racea gainsed your car you better have a car that runs. If either of you have a broken car then you might not want to talk about racing another guys car only to say… ok well you just wait till I get my car fixed… isn’t that the insult of FAW to jibber…that indeed your car isn’t a great piece of work.
When In fact FAW has set up and commited to a date. Jibber keeps going on and on about 75$ fuck drop the 75$ thing thats just gay. I see yiour point on the yuor not wanting to drop everything to just race but thats kinda the repercutions of calling someone out… If your that heated about this dam debate just do what FAW seems to be ready to do and thats just goto the track…
IF you guys want to do the 3rd party have the AR site hold the money. I think at this point the money and the 3rd party thing is just a lame issue. still FAW has stepped up and now seems to be the front runner in not being a empty shit talker as some have lailbed him.
FAW at this point just goto the track with the car and fucking baby it down the track. That will crush this debate for good and put you WAY ontop if you ask me.
At this pojt I think almost everyone here would say that the winner of this net war will be the guy who makes the LEAST excuses