Just ordered a shotgun from Gander Mountain. Remington 870 Express Combo. 12 Gauge. Shld be delivered to the store next week. Can’t wait.
Link or it didn’t happen.
I’ll post pics when I pick it up next week.
Installed new grips on the 1911. It came with Crimson Trace Laser grips (I don’t care too much for laser sights). Really diving the look and feel of these grips. I might sell the laser grips at some point.
Before:
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After:
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Close up:
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These are VZ Grips G10 grips.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/authorities-2-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-mother-202029916.html
So much for responsible gun ownership. I’m going to make a wild assumption that she didn’t have the safety on?
Not sure a story like this is suited for this thread, but there are irresponsible people everywhere. It is sad, but if you are going to have guns and especially conceal carry, you should have control of the weapon at all times. Also, there are plenty of pistols out there that have multiple safety systems that prevent accidental discharges.
I think people with children have to take extra precaution, that is logic to us, but not to some. Hell, idiots that are gun instructors shoot themselves accidentally all the time because of complacency…most of them are firearms instructors.
Check out this gun http://www.springfield-armory.com/resources/features/xd-mod-2/
I have a XD45, but this is a small gun good for concealment purposes and it has a triple safety system (standard safety, grip safety and trigger safety). It makes the likelihood of an accidental discharge nearly impossible IMHO. Especially for a child with a small hand and you should never be that careless for that opportunity to even arise.
I just don’t like posts like this because the discussion to ban guns or limit ownership is similar to a post someone made a few weeks ago about car companies making it illegal to tune their cars…or even emissions restrictions. Guns are a pretty fun hobby that I and many others enjoy, punishing responsible people is pointless. You can’t stop guys with high HP cars from street racing and killing innocent people (even though it’s illegal), but many of us suffer the consequences of their actions due to our performance oriented cars that we legally race at a dragstrip or road course.
In reality…
- There are plenty of gun laws that make it a task to buy a gun or get a conceal carry permit
- You can’t cure stupid…anywhere (guns, cars, motorcycles, etc)
- Murder has always been illegal, same with armed robbery, or the hundreds/thousands of other laws people break while armed. So what will another law do besides take something away from the people that obey them?
good points euroswagr
more gun laws don’t do shit. An all out ban of guns will do lots. America will never stand for it though, so instead we will see headlines like this one forever.
Today in Canada where guns are far more controlled, a guy killed his entire family and then himself. Nine people dead. Legally acquired gun, but it was stolen. If we want stuff like that to stop, we need to ban all guns entirely. Since that won’t happen, you just need to accept that lots of people will die at the hands of guns.
Homicides aside, could increased mandatory hands-on training help reduce accidental/unintentional firearm deaths?
This might be a really poor comparison but looking at vehicle fatalities, countries in Western Europe, which make it extremely difficult to obtain one’s driver’s license due to extremely rigid driving tests (thus, extremely rigid training) have considerably lower vehicle fatalities per capita.
It would be awesome if gun owners and NRA members supported the NRA in lobbying for stricter ownership tests.
Many long time gun owners would pass with flying colours if they were responsible owners (and thus not a huge burden) and some long time gun owners may learn something. Meanwhile, new gun owners would receive proper training and although you can’t teach the terminally stupid, it could help the smarter ones that simply didn’t have the proper safety reflexes ingrained into them through rigid training.
I personally wish driving tests in North America were way tougher with much higher expectations. Maybe it could help accidental deaths with firearms. You’ll still read about some just like some stupid people in car accidents but maybe it could help. Who knows.
At the very least, talking about it can’t hurt.
It’s negligence and it’s unfortunate.
Not all pistols have a “safety”. Revolvers don’t for example. Neither do some of the SIG pistols (P226 and P229 at least). I don’t know what type of pistol she had. But these typically have a very heavy double action trigger (to draw the hammer back, and drop it forward with one trigger pull).
But it’s complacency and negligence. And with any hobby, you get varying degrees of it.
I was at Cabela’s the other day and this one guy proclaimed (somewhat loudly) to his female partner that “your finger is the only safety you need” (while making a motion with his index finger) to which the guy at the gun counter politely chastised him and pointing out the merits of having a manual safety.
Then you have the responsible gun owners on the other end of the spectrum. I keep my pistols loaded at all times. It does not self-combust nor does it self-shoot. It is however, locked securely and only my brother and I have access to opening it. If I’m away (on vacation) I bust out the gun locks and all are individually locked after being unloaded (i’ve also stored it at a friend’s house as well). When passing a weapon, I check to make sure it’s clear every time I pick up the gun. In fact, the first thing I do when I pick up any fire arm is to cycle the weapon a few times and if possible, look into the chamber. I do it even at gun stores after the sales person has cycled the gun in front of me. Why? It’s become a habit. Even if I am completely sure, I check and recheck. I don’t want accidents.
When I do chose to carry, I do make sure it’s concealed and am very aware of where I’m at and what’s around me. It’s a balance between making sure it’s concealed and my accessibility. If I carry “cocked and locked”, when in private, I check that the safety is on (typically it’s before I step out of the car - and again when I return to the car).
But as euroswagr stated, around children, extra precaution is needed.
Banning guns from private ownership, does not prevent criminal ownership. When I lived in South East Asia, a group of thieves somehow broke into a military barracks and made off with some M-16s, pistols, and lots of ammo. For the next few years, they robbed all sorts of jewelry stores all over the nation (even in jam packed shopping malls in broad daylight).
I think some states require safety classes before issuing concealed carry permits. I’m of the mindset that just like cars, the first mod should be a driving school and for firearms, a safety course (just like what’s required for hunting - at least in WA).
But yeah, not really the right thread for this… 
Why not? Is this supposed to be a “look at my pieces” only thread?
That was the intent, yes (and surrounding discussions about said “pieces” and ownership/use).
But if you want insight from fellow AR gun owners, it wouldn’t hurt I suppose. (my comment was not an attempt at censure or stifling discussion - merely wondered if it would be best served in it’s own thread)
We should maybe start a gun rights laws rules thread.
I have several concealed carry guns. If I’m with my kids I’m always carrying. I don’t have a gun for show even tho its a showy gun I have a gun to protect my family from the sick individuals that don’t need or use guns to kill people but still kill people
Guns are like cars. They can be used for work to provide food or resources or pleasure. Stupid people get behind the controls of both. Both kill people but there are more motor related deaths due to drunk driving alone then gun homicides. I’m not trying to do anything other then add small perspective with that point. This point however is where all facts stack up against more gun control.
Over 80% of all gun related homicide is from a weapon not owned by the user. So this can mean the gun is stolen or just obtained somehow
Crack herrion LSD and countless life ruining drugs are illegal but very easy to find and brought here every day.
Selling people or children as slaves into the sex trade is illegal but children are brought into America every day for that.
Drug cartell and gangs are illegal but they are brought into and come into America every day.
Murder is illegal. So is carjacking rape and strong armed robbery but it happens every day,
Illegal immigration is obviously illegal but it’s non stop and illegal people bring illegal people and things here every day
The things I listed above are all illegal and there are even sections of government law enforcement with thousands and thousands of individuals set up to stop these things. But they still happening every day.
Good upstanding citizens don’t need more gun laws. We need more good upstanding citizens. Detroit has lowered it’s crime by telling the Detroit citizens to arm themselves. If you make more gun laws or make good citizens the ones that have more restrictions your just punishing the people who are not the issue. There will always be terminally mentally stupid people just Google women driving fail videos and enjoy the next 8 hours of videos that pop up.
For me. The fact is I cam get a illegal gun just as easy as a legitimate gun. And even tho there are sections of law enforcement to stop the illegal immigrant drug cartel member who is trafficking both drugs and children he will have a gun. Try telling him and all the other criminals that have access to all the illegal drugs guns and other things that he can’t pull a gun on you or shoot you because he isn’t a law bidding citizen. I doubt him or the other gang members who shoot people are concerned over gun laws.
When did this conversation become about gun laws and the right to own guns vs. gun safety for legitimate gun owners who legally purchased their gun?
My question was related to what possibilities are on the table to help avoid accidental firearm deaths like that woman shot by her young kid by accident. Not whether they should be allowed in the first place. America is a land of guns and that will never go away.
Guns can indeed be compared to cars in a certain way. And over the last 50 years, a lot of mandatory laws have been implemented with a positive impact. I find the seatbelt to be similar to the safety. For a long time, seatbelts were optional in cars, then they became mandatory. Then using it became mandatory. And it has saved lives.
Safety devices should be mandatory (I read some don’t have them) and not having it on when not using the gun should be illegal (i.e. if your kid shoots himself or someone because the safety was off, you should be criminally responsible as the gun owner). Yes, it can sometimes be difficult to know whether the kid undid the safety but they have child locks on medical bottles, they should be able to figure it out for gun safeties.
A long time ago, you didn’t need a driver’s test to get your license (heck, countries like Belgium didn’t need one until the 80s which is why they were the worst drivers in Western Europe for the longest time). Then driving tests became mandatory (unfortunately, not sufficiently difficult in my opinion but that’s another topic).
As I said, guns are here to stay in America and people are going to steal guns no matter what (maybe adding locked biometrics could help lol). People are going to do illegal things with them, absolutely. How much of that can be averted, I really don’t know. But that’s not what I was talking about. I was talking about the accidental deaths, the ones where some better training, etc. could potentially help. Any time there’s a gun accident such as the one I posted, it gives more ammo to the anti-gun advocates (pardon the pun). If I were a legitimate gun owner, I would want the NRA and the industry in general to implement stricter guidelines/training to help my own cause seeing as I wouldn’t mind them due to the fact that I would be an honest legitimate gun owning citizen.
Just wondering what actual legit gun owners thought about that. Unfortunately, it always comes back to gun rights which is completely irrelevant to my topic of conversation.
It’s hard for it not to turn into that given the context of the article you posted Axel.
I think the gun safety discussion aspect is great and I think I kind of touched on that. I believe carrying weapons around children without safeties is the worst idea ever, which is why I pointed out the triple safety systems on some firearms.
I also made the point that some of the most highly trained are the MOST complacent, it’s unfortunate but it is true. The problem is that there is never a progressive plan for safety…they just to ban stupid shit, like magazine size or weapon type. When all is said and done only people who obey laws follow any of these regulations put in place.
I didn’t mean to use the point to make it a gun law thing but to say more law and more regulations don’t always work. There is always outside circumstances. Like with your seat belt point. Was it seat belts or the fact that cars are built safer now with crash zones and body design using crash safety data. Better air bag systems etc.
I think this is a case of you can build a better box they will just make a bettor idiot. Chalk thus one up to the child hood accident that didn’t kill the child but killed the adult. This is sad and you never like to see or hear anyone having a senseless death. This could have been avoiding. But like many things in media I don’t think we are getting the entire story.
I think this is like most things for people. Some people take more precautions then others. Euroswagr has a good point. At a local rock climbing facility it’s the experienced climbers that shrug the safeties. They should have thought her safety and safe practice gun techniques in the concealed carry class. I believe it’s mandatory.
Back to more gun pics. Just got a holster to carry the 1911!
Holster is a Galco King Tuk. Very comfy holster. I think I like it more than my Blade tech holster that I have for my HK P30.
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It’s great you put this up. I wanted to comment on your new grips. The new one looks very rigid. I noticed that thumb section makes all the difference in the world on mine. I CC my 1911 I love it. Is that for CC or just a normal use holster.
Can you post up a few pictures of your 1911? The grips are very “grippy” (lol lack of a better term). Carrying it around the house last night in the holster seemed comfortable enough (no rubbing on the back).
My right hand thumb rests on the thumb safety when shooting (thumbs forward).
This holster is indeed for CCing the 1911. Will switch between this and the P30 (though it feels like this setup will be more comfy CCing).
Serious question for the 1911 owners, do ANY of you shoulder holster for the f**k of awesomeness?
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