your point about the RS4 (B5) using those same manifolds is a good one.
At least it would be more of a good one if the B5 RS4 wasnt designed and issued with 320 whp. But it was. Your boy at AMD is advocating using those exhaust manifolds for making 380 WHP MORE than the B5 RS4 came with so lets not use quattro’s decision to use them as justification of his claims.
Anyway, lets move on and get a good look at you car. Is it ready?
And the grand national’s manifolds were designed for what HP? I’m just saying, why aren’t you questioning the whole intake/heads/exhaust setup? why just the manifolds? the RS4 “good stuff” was designed for 380 BHP not just the exaust manifolds.
anyways, I’m not sure where the car is at. Should be delievered in three weeks max.
The whole thread makes me 
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I want to say Im 100% open to the debate that stock manifolds could be good enough.
lets first find common ground.
AMD if Im not mistaken them selves said they were developing manifolds to help make up for the as AMD stated the too small exhaust manifolds?
Then let me know your thoughts on this.
http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/pdf/27T_header_comparison.pdf
As I said above. I think finding comon ground would be the best place to start.
crazy good read right there chris! holy shit i didnt even know the 2.7t manifolds looked like that on the inside, most their size is just from heat shielding, they are truly pathetic. how can anyone ever say that they wont see benefits from changing that? thats ridiculous
Wow Chris, that’s a really interesting article. Those stock manifolds really are something else when you see them cut away like that. . . .
The question people ask isn’t will it help, the question is, is it worth the $ to people. What really is the limiting factor? The turbine housing? The turbine wheel? Or the exhaust manifold? These are all things that are considered in building a cost competitive HP competitive kit.
Discuss!
i dont see them being worth it on tials or k04’s since you are limited by the small turbine inlet which will end up choking it up anyway. theres is only so much air you can move through a small space. my buddy had a gt3071 with t25 flange on his mk5 gti and was looking to upgrade the turbo because he wanted more. i told him to just get a new manifold with a t3 flange and a turbine housing with t3 flange and just from that on the same boost went from 399 whp to 434 and saved a shit laod of money in the end. thats why i know the tials are limited, they are only as good as the their turbine inlet allows them to be. they just can reliably make more boost than the oem options. a true gt turbo with a t3 flange will make more power on less boost. Now run the same boost you ran on that 770 kit to make 775 whp on a t3 flanged gt and tell me what you get.
The car that made 775awhp was an ASP GT kit car with a T25 flange HTA billet 2871. The highest yielding 770 wrung out was barely 700awhp and shocked a wring on the stock pistons the car was running. The most I saw the 770 make was when the GT-R boys ran them and made low 700whp. Hotside was too small. But that’s the beauty of a 770, the spool is crazy fast! The only test it hasn’t done well in a S4 is 1/4… And on the GT-R I think it did well there as well. I’d have to look.
[quote=sakimano]- if Jason or EPL or somefuckingbody produces a Tials 605 car that runs 11.5 @ 125 on pump gas (should be easy for a 500 whp/wtq car like the half dozen they showed us) or a Tials 770 built motor car that runs 11.0 @ 135 on pump gas (same deal for the 650-700 hp cars they have shown us) we will all say ‘ok…cool…Tials look to be legit!’.
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‘more informed in such matters’. You sound like a criminal trying to sound smart in front of the judge. Anyway, turns out you’re not more well informed. Pay particular attention to Tony’s Laser Sedan which made 504 wtq (4th dyno) as well as the 8th dyno who made 500+ wtq as well as 524 whp
And nevermind the semantics. A 490 whp or 490 wtq car is basically a 500 whp/wtq car, and here are a good half dozen of them…none of whom have posted an 11 second quarter mile time. Just the self tuned Notorious VR…who ran 11.98 @ 116.
Every dyno sheet is a different car. Some of them were even dynoing 475+ whp/wtq at altitude lol
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/evan_605_dyno.jpg
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/flyboy/flyboy_605_26psi_race.jpeg
http://eplabs.net/pub/605_er_500_plus.JPG
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/tony_ho_605_dyno.jpg
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/nickulmer605.jpg
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/keith_bel_605.jpg
http://eplabs.net/imagepost/audi/kevin605retune.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j461/gearhead1186/EvanDyno1-1.jpg
fyi tweets that info is all from the ‘Official Tial Results Thread’ that was started by EPL.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/406117-Official-TiAL-605-result-thread-dynos-video-info!
When I read that thread title I got real excited hoping to see a plethora of timeslips. I was so utterly disappointed when I looked inside and saw a bunch of dyno sheets and FATS times screenprints that I made a fake account on Audizine, and started a thread called:
Official TiAL 1/4 mile results thread (no dynos, no FATS, no 60-130…no tricks)
…which you are quite familiar with (and will hopefully soon contribute a timeslip to).
The one car made it on the dyno, then it was de-tuned for the street. As were most of the other cars that don’t make 500wftlbs, (496 isnt 500, sorry dude). I was being a smart-ass, on purpose. I didn’t expect you to know that. most of those cars made 450-475ftlbs as they left the shop. So that woud be 1 that made it other than mine and 0 that do currently. yes I am ignoring the dynojet number. I’ve seen those read 60whp 60ftlbs higher than a high reading mustang with the same car on the same day.
There are 2 that are over 500 wtq. Car 4 and car 8. You are the third car to make 500 wtq with 605s. Congratulations…you ‘win’ bronze!
Not sure why a car being detuned afterwards ‘doesn’t count’ or why you’re ignoring the other car. Because it’s on a dynojet? lol…the dyno is a gigantic fucking crock, so why you recognize that (with the dynojet) but think your own dyno result is ‘proof’ of something (other than the fact that ink sticks to paper)…I will never know.
Also not sure why you want to ‘win’ on the dyno. Do people really give a fuck about their dyno numbers this much to split hairs and play with words to be ‘first’??? Man, the B5 world is like another planet. It’s like Supra forums 5 years ago all over again. This used to be about fast cars. Now?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g164/sloowrt/supradyno.jpg
Like ive stated before i really think the tial turbos will shine with someone else other than EPL tuning the car. Someone mentioned earlier about porsches with tial turbos. Ill be honest im not impressed with tonysn porsche results vs the competitors. Put an EPL porsche against a protomotive or EVOMS porsche and its game over for EPL.
My only problem with AMD is that when you search “AMD S4” or “addict motorsports s4” on youtube what come up… NOTHING. No videos of them racing anything but S4s, no videos of gauge shots, no track videos NOTHING. For the old timers i remember when AWE sponsored Marc and he had tons of videos street racing and hittingthe track. you cant tell me this did not help AWE’s rep and create respect for them. Hell look at all the tuner cars. as soon as a new platform comes out they are ripping that thing apart, building it, racing everything, and hitting the track. How long did it take AMS to break into the 8s with the GTR?
If your going to run your mouth like Jason and Burningcoals does then you better have somethin other than a dynosheet to back it up.
As far as manifolds go i feel like im beating a dead horse. Even though ye syou might not gain 100000000hp from doing manifolds it will still be more efficient flow. but… maybe im wrong… maybe all the 9 second and sub 9 second EVOs, STIs, Hondas, Grand nationals, Muscle cars, Na cars, cars that come factory with a headers style car and any car modded is all wrong.
You can have your opinions. we will see when its done. It is general knowledge that Dynojets read very high. Yes every dyno reads different. It wasn’t a competition, I was merely stating a fact, if you would like me to refine my claim. then here you go, I am the only one making 500+awftlbs on a mustang dyno currently. But to say that there are a dozen 500wftlb (a measurement that is apparently irrelevant to you. I’m not sure why you even refer to it at all if it is so bogus) is false, that was what I was saying, you have proven me to be correct. I rest my case. I’m not arguing anymore, its a waste to bicker
I am excited to see what my car will do. I think it is pointless to bicker beyond this point about whether tial turbos suck or not. Unless you just want to get frustrated about something that doesn’t directly affect you. if that is the case, be my guest.
This might help. an S4 race thread I put together. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/448994-Your-B5-S4-V-S/page2 look around, there are some cool videos in there.
when you learn that NOBODY on this site cares about or values dyno numbers as proof of anything, you will fit in well. Until then, you will continue to be confused and ‘too smart (assed)’ for the ‘ignorant’ members here to keep up with your witty self.
Show me how fast your car is. Win at that. Nobody cares about dyno numbers. When you make silly statements like ‘I was the first 605 to make 500 wtq’ even though you were THIRD…and even though you’ve been told by almost every member on AR that this is a results site not a dyno games site…I really have to wonder if you’re lost and think you’re at an AMD support rally or in a PNW thread on audizoo.
don’t forget d-shot the biggest embarassment of them all
Fortunately by page 5 people start to tear this dyno worship to threads. Guruman, blackbenz, nycvr6 and a few others make it clear…EPL and AMD aren’t earning any respect for making fast cars with dyno charts.
Like i said only videos of AMD on the street against another car is against other S4s that they built and theres one with them against other cars. and the decription has every excuse ive ever seen.
If you look through the thread you were the first one to bring up 605s and their dyno numbers. I was saying that you were incorrect in you claim of a dozen 500whp/ftlbs cars. I am not bragging nor was I attempting to seem boastful. I was incorrect to say dyno, you are right. I should have said I will have the first delivered 500+hp/ftlbs car. I know where I am, If I didn’t I would have never posted on this forum.