Tial Turbos suck.

B5 S4/ RS4
#121

killerS4 glad to have you. I and I think everyone agrees with what you said and is happy to have someone clear a few things up.

The only thing I dissagree with is.

AMD is attempting to sell on AZ but they got kicked off for not paying to advertise. So they tred light.

And the biggest is.

[quote]There is no lieing or deceaving or fooling from AMD, all they do is build a car and the customer does the rest, if they somehow get all their customers to fool everybody then so be it. But when my car runs out and pulls a 2.0 FATS and a 5.7 60-130 using my own computer and laptop, I am generally satifified with the dyno numbers they are pulling.
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This seems to be all AMD can do is offer steady dose of bull shit and insults. There reputation is just about as far down as you can get with credibilty. They have been cought several times doing shady or dishonest stuff when posting information… SO by extendsion of that no one believes them of what they say.

As for the Tials thats what this post is about. The fact that we don’t think tials are good is more because people like A(another)M(Minipulated)D(data or dyno) log have no idea what the turbos can do and there pooerly represnted

I want to say there that I doubt there is one member here that dosn’t want to see all the Audi guys do well Tial or other wise.

Just seems to me every time there is a Tial car there is a long list of excuses that come with it. You have 6 or 7 cars and they have all done great on a dyno and not been able to back that up on 1/4 mile times.

IF the cars excell in 60-120 times they should be smart enough to just say that there are more geared for that.

but you have to know what your talking about first to have that happen and it seems no on really knows whats going on and the only facts we have don;t look good

#122

This goes along with what i said earlier. If AMD is building all those types of cars WHERE IS THE VIDEO FOOTAGE?! im on the evolutionm board and never seen them speak of AMD. Same goes for when im on 6speed in the audi section. Im sorry if there building that many badass cars there shouldbe video footage. hop on youtube and search UGR or AMS or switzer or heffner or even small shops like “the shop ct” or ics performance. tons of video footage.

I can give two shits about dyno numbers and FATs times. i want to see video footage of AMD built and tuned cars doing pulls with other cars. I would be so much more impressed with those.

I loved watching how AMS videod everytime they progressed with there GTR. I love watchin UGR come out with a video for every new turbo kit on one of the there exotic beasts. AMD needs to step there game up.

#123

Again, AMD is not trying to be the internet king, or king of anything. They really do not care because they are already overloaded with work.

Here is some points, when they first posted up D-Shot build thread, it got deleted due to advertising issues, which is fine and valid, however they were not trying to hide the fact that the car had a RS4 tranny like others said, it was in the build list, so people got some impression it was shady and they were trying to curcumvent the advertising rules, so VAST got that thread deleted.

However in real world; I can give you AMD number, and you can try and order something, it can be achieved and will be built to order, but it will take a while to get done and can be a pain, cue people complaining that they have been calling AMD for 3 weeks and sending emails and no response. This is my point, they are not selling product, the amount of people on AZ that have a AMD product is probably less then 1%, its a short list.

AMD wanted to share their experience with D-Shot car, and that was the build thread, it was not to sell anything. This may change down the road, who knows.

You can’t compare AMD to VAST, or some other internet reseller who makes his buisiness selling parts. AMD specializes in big builds that take over a year to complete.

You may not agree with this, and that is fine. I am not AMD spokesperson, I am a friend of theirs and live close by their shop and hang out there sometimes.

#124

You should ask the customers, for instance ASP built no less then 20 MEGA power builds 550WHP +. Where are all those cars? Customers sometimes do not post up their specs, in the example of the STi, EVO’s I have talked to these customers. they are NOT even on EvolutionM . NET and could care less.

I drive a EVO X, Tuned by Jason himself, I have not even cared to post online, I log the car myself, etc, I know where it is power wise and performance wise, but never posted about it.

A lot of shops build cars and do not advertise, if you have to much work to do, and you litterally have to turn customers away, then why are you trying to pimp yourself?

AMD gets buisiness by word of mouth, their B5 stuff is usually customers who are litterally ready to give up and sell the car, who have been to many shops that have only made things worse, so they are used to dealing with customers who are fed up with the BS and want results. Generally speaking in the 5 years I have worked with AMD, they have a 100% satisfaction rate, meaning when is the last time a customer was heard complaining about thier work? You always leave with verifyable performance increase weather its just a flash or your shooting for mega power.

Again, I know it sounds like I am defending them and I may never pursway your impression of them, however they are just a small gear head shop that loves to build cars. They are not trying to be VAST, APR , Etc. All their business is word of mouth. And with the 5 cars sitting outside their shop from shops like WMS, and accross the country obviously their word of mouth is getting around, and some people are starting to question why they don’t have more visibility. They just don’t have the time to really properly pimp themselfs, and because of it they have reasonable prices and do deliver results.

#125

Lol we all know AnotherStolenProduct is a fucking scam. Who cares about them. If you like amd I wouldn’t mention asp in the same sentence. As i said to tweets don’t forget what site you’re on…nobody here is fooled by the asp/gsg/pes/vfe/etc trickery. We’re trying to determine if some of what epl and amd do is worthy of inclusion on this list (or if they just don’t know what they’re doing. All signs point to the fail being epl tuning so far, and the amd shenanigans are pretty much hiding from the true test that is used by just about every platform in the world for acceleration measurement…the nhra/ihra certified dragstrip 1/4 mile)

P.s. Who are you…dipshot or burningcoals? Or another car? I can’t keep track.

I don’t get why the quarter mile is so hard, yet the 60-130 is so easy. Your car gets to 60mph in probably 3.5-3.8 seconds (if it is legit). If you are able to ace the 60-130, but suck at the quarter mile, does that mean you’re getting into all kinds of trouble in those first 3 seconds? Enough to know 10 mph and add 15 tenths to your time? Seems odd.

I’d love to see countvohn tune one of these 80!illion whp cars, and then dyno it. I bet whp would go way down and the cars would bust off incredible times.

Finally, if amd is so busy, why does jason make posts on just about every audiforum every day? Doesn’t sound like he has read Steven Covey’s ‘7 Habits of Highly Succesful People’. Instead he has read 'how to destroy your company’s rep before it even gets established. If you want to see a busy company, try buying $5000 worth of parts from jhm lol. I bet jaybquick has made less then 50 posts in 3 years on all forums combined.

#126

Putting it in 4th gear and going WOT, is as easy as 1/4? Seriously think about what you type.

I HATE ASP, so don’t think I am pimping them in anyway. They scammed so many people it’s not even funny. And I put them on a different sentence… :stuck_out_tongue:

I am burningdouche, burninghole, or w/e the fuck you want to call me, This handle is the one I use on AudiWorld, QuattroWorld.

Who said 1/4 is so hard? I think I did good first time out, and I plan on hitting 137 + Traps this year. This is my choice, not a AMD branded desicion, I don’t care what they think about anything.

I like the 1/4 and plan on doing more of it. I don’t need to prove to the 5 people on here that don’t like AMD or TiAL that these cars can compete, I am sure any one of you 1/4 queens would do very well in these cars.

#127

What’s a 1/4 queen? Is that someone who likes a product to be proven by a test in which the salesman doesn’t control the stopwatch?

I’d check the attitude if I were new to the site. If someone called you a name, take it up with them, but don’t brandish the entire site of 300 members, all guys who wanted to get off the other more pedestrian sites.

I.E. I don’t think I’ve ever done anything to eaen backlash from you, have I?

Anyway, good luck with your build. Yes the quarter mile is easy to do well at, but tough to perfect. The neat thing is you can probably get 96% out of your car as a beginner at the strip. The remaining 4% will put you in the 10s. The fact you got about 80% of what your dyno sheet delivered should tell you something…either the dyno is lying, the tune sucks, or you don’t know how to drive at all. I know its not that one even though jason threw you under the bus when you went 12.x at 128 and made you sound like a fucking retard.

Pinoys4 just ran 11.5 in his k4 b5 s4. He’s no pro. Jaybquick drove pinoy’s car next pass and went 2 tenths quicker. Same exact mph. Jay is one of the top 2-3 drivers on the forums. Pinoy is just a guy like you and I with a car he likes to drive. He got pretty close. You missed by about 10-12tenths and 10-12 mph thanvs what you should have. That’s why we’re skeptical. Maybe its dumb luck, and all of the worst drivers in the world live in washington and have amd tial cars. as I said, I don’t believe that. I bet you drive just fine.

Or maybe there’s something else to it.

#128

If you guys want any dirty details and could help me achieve better 1/4 times I would love it.

The only issue I have with my 3L build and 1/4 is RPMS drop like a rock, so normal shifting means I am having to start from zero, even with a .7 sec shift my RPMS can drop to 1k. I believe flat shifting is going to be the key to 3L TiAL setups; no one that I know has done that yet.

There is only 2 cars that I know of to run the 1/4 in washington with TiALS. Snowtrooper ran 11.4 on his hybrid K04 setup here in wash a long time back, and deep ran in the 11’s with his K04 car.

There really has not been a big amount of people doing 1/4 with B5 in washington, again most cars are daily drivers.

#129

have you been given/or do you have an explanation of why you RPMS drop so badly on a shift, I just don’t see how it would or how and extra .3 of a litre would do that. Do you have a standard box in your car

#130

1/4 mile is a blast though. Balls to the wall legal acceleration. Can’t beat that really. Road courses are fun but really destroy your car.

We will start a quarter mile tips thread later. I’ll share the wisdom I’ve sponged.

I drive a b7 rs4 and its definitely my daily driver. My past car was a modified b7 s4 and it too was my daily. I had about 100 passes on the s4 and have 20 on the rs4. That’s why I say its easy. It really is not rocket surgery …you just have to dot the I’s and cross the T’s.

#131

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You should ask the customers, for instance ASP built no less then 20 MEGA power builds 550WHP +. Where are all those cars? Customers sometimes do not post up their specs, in the example of the STi, EVO’s I have talked to these customers. they are NOT even on EvolutionM . NET and could care less.

I drive a EVO X, Tuned by Jason himself, I have not even cared to post online, I log the car myself, etc, I know where it is power wise and performance wise, but never posted about it.

A lot of shops build cars and do not advertise, if you have to much work to do, and you litterally have to turn customers away, then why are you trying to pimp yourself?

AMD gets buisiness by word of mouth, their B5 stuff is usually customers who are litterally ready to give up and sell the car, who have been to many shops that have only made things worse, so they are used to dealing with customers who are fed up with the BS and want results. Generally speaking in the 5 years I have worked with AMD, they have a 100% satisfaction rate, meaning when is the last time a customer was heard complaining about thier work? You always leave with verifyable performance increase weather its just a flash or your shooting for mega power.

Again, I know it sounds like I am defending them and I may never pursway your impression of them, however they are just a small gear head shop that loves to build cars. They are not trying to be VAST, APR , Etc. All their business is word of mouth. And with the 5 cars sitting outside their shop from shops like WMS, and accross the country obviously their word of mouth is getting around, and some people are starting to question why they don’t have more visibility. They just don’t have the time to really properly pimp themselfs, and because of it they have reasonable prices and do deliver results.
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Im sorry but it sounds like your making a bunch of excuses to defend AMD.

AMD being busier than AMS or UGR seriously? i highly doubt that. AMS and UGR both have customers shipping cars from overseas yet they still make videos and make it to events like the TX2k and such.

i find it very fishy that NO ONE has any forum or video activity especially with now supposedly having different clients with different makes of vehicles.

#132

Its due to a lot of factors, the breather system has been re-done, and it’s a stroker, we found RPMS climb much faster but also drop like a rock. And it’s something that basically happens to all 3L I have seen on this platform.

It’s not due to displacement issue. Flat shifting should solve it. If I can keep momentum going I belive the car will pull crazy times.

#133

OK well think what you want. AMD has x2 people. If you call them they will tell you 1 year before a completed product on a big build. I am not comparing them to other big $$$ shops that have a lot of employees.

And again; they do not care that no one is seeing videos of their stuff, obviously as for reasons I have already stated, they are turning people away. I know of a few people who want AMD builds and have been told sorry.

Let’s not get into why they don’t hire, etc ,etc. There are plans in the works but thats up to them. Why do you care about what AMD is doing anyway, just leave it be and continue to have a bad opinion of them, not hurting anyone, especially them.

#134

Didn’t D-shot break some rods while using spray?

Burningcoal I’m on your side, lets ship your car & have some independent dyno runs made public & shut everyone up once & for all. We could have some online over & under on what ur car makes or don’t make & stream all the dyno runs live including the setup of the dyno.

#135

Nope. D-Shot was doing some logs when his piston had a mechanical failure. They were stock pistons doing 712WHP lol. So they knew they were going to go. The log was perfect, definitely not a tuning issue.

As of yet AMD has not used NOS on the S4’s; however that is all about to change, I might run some, and I know others too that are looking into some juice. I know this is a hot topic; its actually funny. But some will never believe they don’t spray, which is why I plan on showing everyone video details of my car before runs.

I can take it to any dyno in washington, you guys can choose the dyno, there is a dyno shop called Fame here I could go to for independent dyno. However; most people on here won’t give a shit until the car is doing 10sec @ 140, so its not something I care about either at the moment.

I trust their dyno, its usually 50WHP less then any others; I watch the settings myself, from car weight, etc. So I know their good. But I still want to go somewhere else, especially if I make 700whp, ill hit up a dynojet so I can pull a 750whp lols. This I will do just for fun. Like gearhead did.

#136

Honestly if your car makes 700whp @ the S4 weight the car should go 140+mph all day. Cars that make 480-500whp can and have run north of 127mph. People think you need to make 600whp to run 130+mph which is completely false. 510-520 whp cars have gone 134mph near full weight. When you say reads 50whp low maybe the others read 50whp+ high.

What sizes injectors do you run, @ what bar?

#137

I believe without anymore power car will run 135 on flat shift no problem. Bosch EV14 82lb… However I am running like 1600cc of meth that can be increased to 2200cc, so I can run 92oct gas and still make 600whp, I can prob make close to 700whp on pump and meth; that would be my preferred route so I can rock 92oct.

I totally understand cars making less power/tq have done better at the track, lets see what happens when I do my first flat shift run.

#138

From what Ive seen and Im not a B5 guy. The biggest issue here is the reputation of AMD. The fact that I see here is so many people have a bad perception of the company and the guy who runs it.

I know lots of people that are nice to me and have been helpful that are not honest people. I think at this point it seems that enough people (including me) seem to have the same thoughts about the same guy. At some point it has to be apparent that enough people all think the same thing that there might be something to do with it.

I really just want to see things go well for everyone. I think there seem to me several level headed guys here that are able to talk and not attack.

Tweets4estate and killer00s4 I think the sad part here is you guys should really have a exciting build and with all the excuses and attacks made by amd you guys are on the firing block and its not fair to you. If you ask me.

I think factually we can all agree that the Tial turbos have not had the track times to back the dyno sheets. That along with AMD screeming at people for asking ligit questions. This puts pressure on guys like you to perform. I don’t think thats fair to you guys. These questions should have been answered before people spent large amounts of money.

Just my thoughts as I really don’t want the drama. I just want the results and you guys being happy about your car. I just feel like the fate of the Tial brand rests on your guys sholders in some respects. Shouldn’t this debate be done before we get here.

Regardless glad to have one more great member that can share and it seems that you have a real strong car. Thanks for sharing.

#139

Welcome buddy! I’m excited to see what our cars do in the months to come. Did Jason tell you I’m going with the sweet 2873s for the yellow car and N20 for a spool helper! I can’t let you be the only one doing a 0 shift 60-130. I did some V-box stuff in my dads S6 today. From taking off VASTs hot air intake and going back to the stock airbox it went from 6.4 0-60 to 6.0 0-60. I don’t even have the ram-air or breather hooked up right hahah, nice work VAST. Apparently the tune installed was meant for the stock airbox. Dude, I’m so excited for our stuff to rock.

On a serious note. I don’t think Jason ever got mad for people asking questions. I think he was frustrated for people calling him a liar. D-shot started talking shit to Justin, Jason backed him on a touchy issue that should have been left alone and it has snowballed into what we have now. Burningcoal’s and I will give you guys all of the info we can get. It will be an open door policy. Burning and I don’t know everything, but we will try to explain and show everything we do know.

#140

I think you are being a little more apocalyptic about the situation. Jason and I are friends, it’s not just that he built my car. I have lived near AMD for almost 6 years now, and have had my car in many iterations. It was a 2.9 FATS, 400WHP K04/RS6 brid car before going TiAL.

However I think all the publicity is actually putting them more in the spotlight, some of what you say is indeed true and I see how someone could look at the situation that some customers are unhappy or unsatisfied.

However; while I am not satisfied with my driving on the 1/4, I am 100% satisfied with the power under the curve and the results with the car, I am only tweaking the car because I really like where its at. I actually think it’s the perfect power curve for daily driving.

I doubt that TiAL could care much about the B5 community; its really out of the spotlight these days, and I doubt they sell in volume enough to worry about it. AMD is doing other platforms, and will install any turbo you want in a B5, TiAL success is not really linked to their success. EPL seems to be spending much more time on other platforms also. Let’s face it, B5 is getting old in the tooth a bit.

In the end I love my car and where its at. It exceeded my expectations. This is coming from someone who was homebrew, logged my car daily, etc. I have never really been a big 1/4 guy.