Pete wrote that stuff- IM is prob the spacers,
Exh is the tubi axle back and intake is the maf 034 hose and k&n drop in
ah ok.
Bouncing off the rev limiter in an RS4 means you get stuck at 128 mph. Did you just extrapolate the time out to 130 (based on the rate at which they were adding MPH right before it)? If you’re hitting the rev limiter, you’re going to lose momentum, and at 130 mph the momentum loss is serious. You can see that you actually lose a big chunk of MPH when you shift into 5th whereas on the 3-4 shift you maintain your MPH and on the 2-3 shift you’re actually still gaining MPH while shifting. Wind resistance at the higher speeds is a helluva force.
Extrapolating can change the time by quite a bit. Sucks for 60-130 to be in an RS4 or manual B8 S4. You have that extra shift.
Kryptonik? What kit did he get again…the 10 PSI or 14 PSI one?
No both guys said they bounced off limiter and pbox performance tools program had them at over 130 for terminal velocity.
I also bounce off limiter and hit it no problem.
interesting. Maybe I’ll try it again. Pretty sure I got stuck.
Different tire sizes, brands, tread depths sometimes can prevent hitting 130 since its so close.
Yeah intake i considered the 034 MAF Hose and Drop in and IM was the spacers i couldn’t fit the whole thing.
Yes, I had intake manifold spacers (I forgot), I think I had the OEM air filter (makes no difference imo), 034 MAF hose, Tubi cans, LW rotors front and back with my winter wheel set up. I do have coil overs that may or may not weigh less than the DRC, not sure. I was on fumes, the gas light was on and the DA was nuts -2000 range. I started in 3rd and only did one shift to 4th. Bounced off the limiter for almost a second to make sure I hit 130. I did maybe 3 to 4 runs and I think my times were improving with each run - I’m sure one of the guys with the file can confirm or correct me.
*** I also had a recent carbon cleaning and a LWCP!! I had to look back to see when I installed things.
Yeah i believe that was your last time and the fastest one. Really strong run for a basically stock RS4. Can’t wait to see what it’ll do the way it sits now. DA has been very similar to your last runs all week, would be cool to compare and see how much you gained. I wouldn’t doubt if you could hit 11.4-11.5 with all the stuff you have done now. That’s awesome for an N/A RS4…
I wish that AMD RS4 would come out, i’d love to run him with him on pump and me on race.
Kryptonik? What kit did he get again…the 10 PSI or 14 PSI one?
Yea I started thinking about it more, and I’m guessing a lot of the starting in 3rd is largely based on turbo cars and holding boost. Shifting cost a good driver .25 sec, but a bad driver .5-.75 sec for a 2-3 shift. So like you said, fast shifting is essential. But for turbo guys that aren’t going to power shift (i.e. stay in the throttle to keep boost up) the shift could certainly hurt overall performance and thus make starting in 3rd better. Not a RS4 or S4 issue though so it’s a null point.
I also assumed “record” time was referring to tuned NA. That’s why I was thinking it would have been faster. But on stock tune it makes sense. I was just thinking that the tuned RS4 runs 12.2-.3 @ 110+ and the blower version runs 11.1@126, that the tuned 60-130 would be quicker. But no tune, makes more sense. And is actually a pretty solid number. It is funny though to see less than 4 seconds from 60-90 and 8 second from 90-130. If you could hold 4th, it’d certainly be nice.
How do the B8 S4 guys like to do it? Do they have to shift to 5th? Just curious.
And agreed, most the shit “real-world” performance guys love the 60-130 time for that exact reason, horrible power under the curve. It’s a shame though, b/c there are obviously some incredibly fast cars that can put the power down from 0-150+ and anywhere in-between, but their accomplishment in the 60-130 is slightly discredited due to the ones who only do well in one regard.
Yea I started thinking about it more, and I’m guessing a lot of the starting in 3rd is largely based on turbo cars and holding boost. Shifting cost a good driver .25 sec, but a bad driver .5-.75 sec for a 2-3 shift. So like you said, fast shifting is essential. But for turbo guys that aren’t going to power shift (i.e. stay in the throttle to keep boost up) the shift could certainly hurt overall performance and thus make starting in 3rd better. Not a RS4 or S4 issue though so it’s a null point.
I also assumed “record” time was referring to tuned NA. That’s why I was thinking it would have been faster. But on stock tune it makes sense. I was just thinking that the tuned RS4 runs 12.2-.3 @ 110+ and the blower version runs 11.1@126, that the tuned 60-130 would be quicker. But no tune, makes more sense. And is actually a pretty solid number. It is funny though to see less than 4 seconds from 60-90 and 8 second from 90-130. If you could hold 4th, it’d certainly be nice.
How do the B8 S4 guys like to do it? Do they have to shift to 5th? Just curious.
And agreed, most the shit “real-world” performance guys love the 60-130 time for that exact reason, horrible power under the curve. It’s a shame though, b/c there are obviously some incredibly fast cars that can put the power down from 0-150+ and anywhere in-between, but their accomplishment in the 60-130 is slightly discredited due to the ones who only do well in one regard.
Slow shifting doesn’t cost you much at the dragstrip (the car is moving towards a point in the distance as the goal…so if you’re slow shifting, you are still rolling towards the goal. However slow shifting with a pbox type MPH test does cost you time. That’s why the bad drivers love the single gear pull. Reality is they should be fine in third gear. They just suck.
If you’re worried about holding boost, you’re a really, really bad driver. I mean you’re at 8000 RPM on lots of these cars, and when you shift, you are at 6500 or something…if you’re not in boost at 6500, you have a fucking terrible turbo lol. They’re out there though. Killed00S4/burningcoals is a great example.
Who said anything about record times? The list above is just local guys to auditude and tsivas who use the same pbox on the same road. They have tested 2 RS4s lol. Hardly a record of any sort. Frankly the JHM RS4 should be able to put up 9.XX in 60-130, but they don’t care much for it. I may be going to visit them in California next month, so I wlll bring my pbox with me and we will see what the B5 and B7 can do.
As for how the B8 guys like to do it, the DSG guys just let the car do its thing…and because there’s 7 gears, they hit 5th at like 120. The Manual B8 guys are just like the RS4 speeds-in-gears and from Tsivas’ comments above, they just hold the limiter.
^I saw this and thought he was meaning RS4 NA time. Since there are very little 60-130 RS4 times as it is, I didn’t consider it too shocking to be a record for NA.
I’ve never tested it accurately, but I just was under the impression that shifting causes your boost drop and then rebuild as the system is opened during shifting when throttle is removed. Not referring to power shifting, or poor power bands. It just means you loose a % of your boost and then have to rebuild it (which all happens in fractions of seconds) but nonetheless is still a consideration and dip in power.
~90% of the 60-130 cars that are from 3.0 sec to 8.0 sec are 1-shift times. And many of those also have set considerable 1/4 times, but yet still go off of just 1 shift if possible. Most of which being turbo configuration. So it may not be as much of a consideration on S/C or NA systems as the boost isn’t configured in the same manner.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see the S/C RS4 break into a 8.9x 60-130 in good conditions with 93. It doing zero to 126 in 11 seconds flat basically.
Slow shifting doesn’t cost you much at the dragstrip (the car is moving towards a point in the distance as the goal…so if you’re slow shifting, you are still rolling towards the goal. However slow shifting with a pbox type MPH test does cost you time. That’s why the bad drivers love the single gear pull. Reality is they should be fine in third gear. They just suck.
If you’re worried about holding boost, you’re a really, really bad driver. I mean you’re at 8000 RPM on lots of these cars, and when you shift, you are at 6500 or something…if you’re not in boost at 6500, you have a fucking terrible turbo lol. They’re out there though. Killed00S4/burningcoals is a great example.
Who said anything about record times? The list above is just local guys to auditude and tsivas who use the same pbox on the same road. They have tested 2 RS4s lol. Hardly a record of any sort. Frankly the JHM RS4 should be able to put up 9.XX in 60-130, but they don’t care much for it. I may be going to visit them in California next month, so I wlll bring my pbox with me and we will see what the B5 and B7 can do.
As for how the B8 guys like to do it, the DSG guys just let the car do its thing…and because there’s 7 gears, they hit 5th at like 120. The Manual B8 guys are just like the RS4 speeds-in-gears and from Tsivas’ comments above, they just hold the limiter.
The exact setup that ran the 11.1 on pump should be able to go between 7.9-8.8 60-130 on pump IMO.
I would say a car with a similar setup to Paul now should go 11.5ish on 93.
^I saw this and thought he was meaning RS4 NA time. Since there are very little 60-130 RS4 times as it is, I didn’t consider it too shocking to be a record for NA.
I’ve never tested it accurately, but I just was under the impression that shifting causes your boost drop and then rebuild as the system is opened during shifting when throttle is removed. Not referring to power shifting, or poor power bands. It just means you loose a % of your boost and then have to rebuild it (which all happens in fractions of seconds) but nonetheless is still a consideration and dip in power.
~90% of the 60-130 cars that are from 3.0 sec to 8.0 sec are 1-shift times. And many of those also have set considerable 1/4 times, but yet still go off of just 1 shift if possible. Most of which being turbo configuration. So it may not be as much of a consideration on S/C or NA systems as the boost isn’t configured in the same manner.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see the S/C RS4 break into a 8.9x 60-130 in good conditions with 93. It doing zero to 126 in 11 seconds flat basically.
Yeah, Paul’ mod list is good for 12.2-12.4 @ 111-113. If the car is happy and healthy and carbon free, should do that no problem.
The RS4s are just agile off the line, but aren’t as strong up top as the B8 S4s with the tune/pulley and decat. Where the B8 might trap 113-115, the RS4 is a couple of ticks slower. That will show up in the 60-130 stuff. The RS4 will give up probably a full second to the B8 in 60-130 even if they were neck and neck from a dig to 1320 feet.
Yeah, the trap speeds are going to tell you a whole lot about what 60-130 times will be. The RS4 is very quick 0-60 mph though, so keep that in mind too. Probably down near 3.2 seconds with stage beams (around 8"). So 60-125 takes it about 8 seconds, and then it needs to go from 125-130 which takes a while.
Probably high 8s as guessed by you two.
It’s just a bad test I feel, since it’s hard to do it anywhere you won’t worry about killing yourself (or others). Some moron pulls in front of you and then you’re fucked. Brembos or not.
Agreed, if we didn’t have our deserted test track we wouldn’t be doing it as often as we do…
I pulled a low 8 second 60-130 in the ESS-VT625 M3 with bolt ons on 93 which should be a good run for a JHM Blown RS4…