Video: Racing a Stage II B8 S4 in my Stage III B5 S4 - copied from vendorzine...

[sakimano]

$1500 please read and copy as required Sak

I actually paid less IIRC since I was in FL. Eurocode still made money since their invoice from APR was $900

Is that a special price on the tune+pulley? Last time I looked it was $1500 for tune + $500 for pulley. Guess you and EuroCode made a deal of some sort.

[Auditude3.0T]

Auditude, You seem confused. You wanted to see tune/piggies cars running in mid-low 12s and there are 2 of them right there. One has rotors and a flywheel (the seats are nearly irrelevant). One has almost nothing. Neither is even tuned. Both went mid-low 12s. One trapped 112.98 like your dad’s revo car. One trapped 113.7 like your Giac B8 with everything thrown at it.

Why is this so hard?

Let’s look at it another way.

I went 12.75 @ 108.3 last spring (1.83 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was +300.
I went 12.82 @ 109.9 last fall (1.87 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was -800. Jspazz kept telling me I was losing tons of time with my tire spinning launches. Who knows what I’d have run if I hooked up. He probably does.

Both times I had never been carbon cleaned. 30,000 miles on the 12.75. 45,000 mlies on the 12.82.

You think that if I gut my downpipes, add a JHM 93 tune with JHM launch assist and get a carbon clean (I just did) I’m going to go…what? What would my car do?

You seem to be fighting this so let me ask you. What will my car do with me driving with tune and piggies? And with jspazz’ coaching.

I also trapped 115.6mph on pump the same day. If there was lightweight seats in the S4 you’d be making a big deal- like you did one page back about my lightweight wheels that weren’t even on the car when I ran a 12.1@115.6 on pump. But now it’s irrelevant and so is the race gas in the RS4.

Stay on point. Answer the question.

I went 12.75 @ 108.36 and 12.82 @ 109.9. With 35-40k miles of carbon.

I just had a carbon clean.

If I get piggies, and a JHM tune, what do you think I would run in excellent DA (Excellent here is around -500 feet…we don’t get the -1000 to -1500 like you guys on the ocean do)

Piggies and JHM tune on your car with you driving in good conditions should get you around a 12.38-12.51 @ 110-111.

[sakimano]

I also trapped 115.6mph on pump the same day. If there was lightweight seats in the S4 you’d be making a big deal- like you did one page back about my lightweight wheels that weren’t even on the car when I ran a 12.1@115.6 on pump. But now it’s irrelevant and so is the race gas in the RS4.

So you’re now saying that saving 60lbs of sprung weight (I believe that’s what JNAUT saved) is the same as saving 50 llbs of rotating mass?

Gotcha.

Remind, me again…when did this become ‘RS4 vs. B8 s4’?

Basically I made a comparison of the nominal modifications you can make to an RS4 and a B8 S4…vs the extensive surgery a B5 S4 needs to go through…and you have turned it into RS4 vs B8 S4.

I would say the LW wheels helped slightly more than the LW seats but they still are 100% relevant. Besides, I was on stock 19’s when I ran my 12.1@115.87 and there’s no other NA RS4 even with every bolt on possible that has ran that yet.

Pete…answer the fucking questions and tell me

1. what would my Rs4 run as outlined above
2. when did this become B8 S4 times vs. B7 RS4 times?

[sakimano]

Auditude, You seem confused. You wanted to see tune/piggies cars running in mid-low 12s and there are 2 of them right there. One has rotors and a flywheel (the seats are nearly irrelevant). One has almost nothing. Neither is even tuned. Both went mid-low 12s. One trapped 112.98 like your dad’s revo car. One trapped 113.7 like your Giac B8 with everything thrown at it.

Why is this so hard?

Let’s look at it another way.

I went 12.75 @ 108.3 last spring (1.83 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was +300.
I went 12.82 @ 109.9 last fall (1.87 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was -800. Jspazz kept telling me I was losing tons of time with my tire spinning launches. Who knows what I’d have run if I hooked up. He probably does.

Both times I had never been carbon cleaned. 30,000 miles on the 12.75. 45,000 mlies on the 12.82.

You think that if I gut my downpipes, add a JHM 93 tune with JHM launch assist and get a carbon clean (I just did) I’m going to go…what? What would my car do?

You seem to be fighting this so let me ask you. What will my car do with me driving with tune and piggies? And with jspazz’ coaching.

I also trapped 115.6mph on pump the same day. If there was lightweight seats in the S4 you’d be making a big deal- like you did one page back about my lightweight wheels that weren’t even on the car when I ran a 12.1@115.6 on pump. But now it’s irrelevant and so is the race gas in the RS4.

Stay on point. Answer the question.

I went 12.75 @ 108.36 and 12.82 @ 109.9. With 35-40k miles of carbon.

I just had a carbon clean.

If I get piggies, and a JHM tune, what do you think I would run in excellent DA (Excellent here is around -500 feet…we don’t get the -1000 to -1500 like you guys on the ocean do)

Piggies and JHM tune on your car with you driving in good conditions should get you around a 12.38-12.51 @ 110-111.

So I would pick up almost 0 MPH, and I would run 2-3 MPH slower than Mistro’s car which had NO tune and piggies. That’s what you’re saying?

His best stock time was 13.0 @ 107. Mine was 12.75 @ 108.

So I guess my driving gets worse…or his car is special?

[Auditude3.0T]

I also trapped 115.6mph on pump the same day. If there was lightweight seats in the S4 you’d be making a big deal- like you did one page back about my lightweight wheels that weren’t even on the car when I ran a 12.1@115.6 on pump. But now it’s irrelevant and so is the race gas in the RS4.

So you’re now saying that saving 60lbs of sprung weight (I believe that’s what JNAUT saved) is the same as saving 50 llbs of rotating mass?

Gotcha.

Remind, me again…when did this become ‘RS4 vs. B8 s4’?

Basically I made a comparison of the nominal modifications you can make to an RS4 and a B8 S4…vs the extensive surgery a B5 S4 needs to go through…and you have turned it into RS4 vs B8 S4.

I would say the LW wheels helped slightly more than the LW seats but they still are 100% relevant. Besides, I was on stock 19’s when I ran my 12.1@115.87 and there’s no other NA RS4 even with every bolt on possible that has ran that yet.

Pete…answer the fucking questions and tell me

1. what would my Rs4 run as outlined above
2. when did this become B8 S4 times vs. B7 RS4 times?

It became B8 S4 vs. RS4 bc this discussion was a long time coming and I told you above.

[Auditude3.0T]

Auditude, You seem confused. You wanted to see tune/piggies cars running in mid-low 12s and there are 2 of them right there. One has rotors and a flywheel (the seats are nearly irrelevant). One has almost nothing. Neither is even tuned. Both went mid-low 12s. One trapped 112.98 like your dad’s revo car. One trapped 113.7 like your Giac B8 with everything thrown at it.

Why is this so hard?

Let’s look at it another way.

I went 12.75 @ 108.3 last spring (1.83 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was +300.
I went 12.82 @ 109.9 last fall (1.87 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was -800. Jspazz kept telling me I was losing tons of time with my tire spinning launches. Who knows what I’d have run if I hooked up. He probably does.

Both times I had never been carbon cleaned. 30,000 miles on the 12.75. 45,000 mlies on the 12.82.

You think that if I gut my downpipes, add a JHM 93 tune with JHM launch assist and get a carbon clean (I just did) I’m going to go…what? What would my car do?

You seem to be fighting this so let me ask you. What will my car do with me driving with tune and piggies? And with jspazz’ coaching.

I also trapped 115.6mph on pump the same day. If there was lightweight seats in the S4 you’d be making a big deal- like you did one page back about my lightweight wheels that weren’t even on the car when I ran a 12.1@115.6 on pump. But now it’s irrelevant and so is the race gas in the RS4.

Stay on point. Answer the question.

I went 12.75 @ 108.36 and 12.82 @ 109.9. With 35-40k miles of carbon.

I just had a carbon clean.

If I get piggies, and a JHM tune, what do you think I would run in excellent DA (Excellent here is around -500 feet…we don’t get the -1000 to -1500 like you guys on the ocean do)

Piggies and JHM tune on your car with you driving in good conditions should get you around a 12.38-12.51 @ 110-111.

So I would pick up almost 0 MPH, and I would run 2-3 MPH slower than Mistro’s car which had NO tune and piggies. That’s what you’re saying?

His best stock time was 13.0 @ 107. Mine was 12.75 @ 108.

So I guess my driving gets worse…or his car is special?

Why don’t we stop getting hypothetical and just go out and do it.

There’s no car on the list with just piggy/tune in the low 12’s on pump. End of discussion. Anything else is just guessing at this point. Jnaut is on race gas and the next 2 cars are full JHM bolt ons

[Auditude3.0T]

and just to clarify if you go out and run a 12.2@114mph with just piggies and a tune i’ll be happy for you. It just hasn’t happened yet and my run did and until i see an N/A RS4 trap almost 116mph on pump at 12.1 i feel i am correct.

[sakimano]

Yes, they will get slower once tuned. You make a lot of sense.

p.s.

$467.49 (APR pulley)
$1,249.00 (APR B8 tune)
Install = ? do they do remote flashes at your house for free yet? like JHM? Or do you have to go to a dealer?

[sakimano]

and just to clarify if you go out and run a 12.2@114mph with just piggies and a tune i’ll be happy for you. It just hasn’t happened yet and my run did and until i see an N/A RS4 trap almost 116mph on pump at 12.1 i feel i am correct.

How the fuck can you be correct? You’re arguing with yourself!!!

I know the B8 S4 is faster than the RS4 if you start throwing a bunch of bolt on mods at it. I RUN THE FUCKING LIST!

Here’s one for you on the topic of things we’re not discussing.

JHM supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
AMD/AVIVA supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
TTS/MRC supercharged RS4 = 11.4 @ 125

All on pump gas. I now feel I am right.

[Jspazz]

Auditude, You seem confused. You wanted to see tune/piggies cars running in mid-low 12s and there are 2 of them right there. One has rotors and a flywheel (the seats are nearly irrelevant). One has almost nothing. Neither is even tuned. Both went mid-low 12s. One trapped 112.98 like your dad’s revo car. One trapped 113.7 like your Giac B8 with everything thrown at it.

Why is this so hard?

Let’s look at it another way.

I went 12.75 @ 108.3 last spring (1.83 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was +300.
I went 12.82 @ 109.9 last fall (1.87 60’). I had ZERO mods. Bone stock. DA was -800. Jspazz kept telling me I was losing tons of time with my tire spinning launches. Who knows what I’d have run if I hooked up. He probably does.

Both times I had never been carbon cleaned. 30,000 miles on the 12.75. 45,000 mlies on the 12.82.

You think that if I gut my downpipes, add a JHM 93 tune with JHM launch assist and get a carbon clean (I just did) I’m going to go…what? What would my car do?

You seem to be fighting this so let me ask you. What will my car do with me driving with tune and piggies? And with jspazz’ coaching.

Lol Sak the coaching is worth another 0.4/4, you’d be up there with Jnaut…

You guys need to stop!

Although FWIW, we should have a good old battle of the B7 vs B8 at TMP, that would be so so so awesome. I’m still 3/3.

[Jspazz]

Yes, they will get slower once tuned. You make a lot of sense.

p.s.

$467.49 (APR pulley)
$1,249.00 (APR B8 tune)
Install = ? do they do remote flashes at your house for free yet? like JHM? Or do you have to go to a dealer?

Fully loaded ECU and stage II was less than above, they run the sale many times a year.

I’d install a pulley rather than piggies any day of the week. Im down to about 60 min for a pulley install, unfortunately b/c of lots of practice

[Auditude3.0T]

and just to clarify if you go out and run a 12.2@114mph with just piggies and a tune i’ll be happy for you. It just hasn’t happened yet and my run did and until i see an N/A RS4 trap almost 116mph on pump at 12.1 i feel i am correct.

How the fuck can you be correct? You’re arguing with yourself!!!

I know the B8 S4 is faster than the RS4 if you start throwing a bunch of bolt on mods at it. I RUN THE FUCKING LIST!

Here’s one for you on the topic of things we’re not discussing.

JHM supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
AMD/AVIVA supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
TTS/MRC supercharged RS4 = 11.4 @ 125

All on pump gas. I now feel I am right.

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

[sakimano]

The AMD car had $17,000 in it. SC+exhaust+clutch.
The JHM car had $16,000 in it. SC+exhaust+clutch/lw parts.

I think you’ll find for that $16,000 the JHM car runs very low 11s, not mid 11s. At modest DA as well. Heaven forbid it should run at sea level in the northeast.

JHM stage 2+ will be interesting. They’ve exhausted the stock fuelling delivery. So stage 2+ will improve that. Should be another level of unattainable performance for you to strive for Pete. Not that you’ll catch the stage 2 basic kit.

Stage 3…well that’s just getting ridiculous.

These are all irrelevant data points that your B8 will never touch, nor were they ever the intended discussion point in this threa.d Since you wanted to talk about irrelevant stuff, I thought it only made sense to talk about some impressive things, rather than some modest times.

I wonder…will any Audi ever come close to these RS4 times on pump gas? Past or present? Imagine if the RS4 tuners gave a shit about race gas?

[Auditude3.0T]

The AMD car had $17,000 in it. SC+exhaust+clutch.
The JHM car had $16,000 in it. SC+exhaust+clutch/lw parts.

I think you’ll find for that $16,000 the JHM car runs very low 11s. At modest DA as well. Heaven forbid it should run at sea level in the northeast.

JHM stage 2+ will be interesting. They’ve exhausted the stock fuelling delivery. So stage 2+ will improve that. Should be another level of unattainable performance for you to strive for Pete. Not that you’ll catch the stage 2 basic kit.

Stage 3…well that’s just getting ridiculous.

These are all irrelevant data points that your B8 will never touch, nor were they ever the intended discussion point in this threa.d Since you wanted to talk about irrelevant stuff, I thought it only made sense to talk about some impressive things, rather than some modest times.

Congrats. I never said they weren’t impressive numbers but any car with an extensive mod list can do anything. When theres a will theres a way…

I apologize for everything. You’re right the RS4 is the best car ever made and nothing else will ever touch it.

[sakimano]

and just to clarify if you go out and run a 12.2@114mph with just piggies and a tune i’ll be happy for you. It just hasn’t happened yet and my run did and until i see an N/A RS4 trap almost 116mph on pump at 12.1 i feel i am correct.

How the fuck can you be correct? You’re arguing with yourself!!!

I know the B8 S4 is faster than the RS4 if you start throwing a bunch of bolt on mods at it. I RUN THE FUCKING LIST!

Here’s one for you on the topic of things we’re not discussing.

JHM supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
AMD/AVIVA supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
TTS/MRC supercharged RS4 = 11.4 @ 125

All on pump gas. I now feel I am right.

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

Yes, 12.4 with only a tune. Impressive. Similar to Mistro’s time. Without a tune.

Hasn’t his car been to the strip with GIAC already? Thought it ran stocklike times due to an issue with DSG.

[Auditude3.0T]

and just to clarify if you go out and run a 12.2@114mph with just piggies and a tune i’ll be happy for you. It just hasn’t happened yet and my run did and until i see an N/A RS4 trap almost 116mph on pump at 12.1 i feel i am correct.

How the fuck can you be correct? You’re arguing with yourself!!!

I know the B8 S4 is faster than the RS4 if you start throwing a bunch of bolt on mods at it. I RUN THE FUCKING LIST!

Here’s one for you on the topic of things we’re not discussing.

JHM supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
AMD/AVIVA supercharged RS4 = 11.3 @ 126
TTS/MRC supercharged RS4 = 11.4 @ 125

All on pump gas. I now feel I am right.

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

Yes, 12.4 with only a tune. Impressive. Similar to Mistro’s time. Without a tune.

Hasn’t his car been to the strip with GIAC already? Thought it ran stocklike times due to an issue with DSG.

Yeah now the issue is taken care of and next chance we get were heading down there.

[ChrisK]

What the fuck happened to ths thread…

both cars have there advantages. why are we agrunig again…

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

ok 3 mods tune intake exhaust. 12.2
RS4 tune exhaust your in the same place… altho RS4s do this on pump gas not race.

A all modded up B8 with exhaust tune pulley intake race gas LW this LW that is going to get you 12.1-11.8 ish…
A all modded up RS4 with exhaust tune clutch LW this LW That is going to get you between 12.4-12.2 ish but this is on pump gas.

Both cars are close if you want to get past that on the RS4 its going to cost you for the best kit JHM 8k and then your really getting deep into the 11s

On the B8 if you want to get past the 11.8 do you really think its going to be 8k for the Stage 3 blower

Clearly the B8 is inpressive thats why we love it… in some respects the RS4 has its appeal. You don’t need race gas and you can get only a few mods to make them fast. The B8 only needs a few mods but your going to need race gas

The B8s on the 1/4 way out weigh the rs4s due to the owenrs being much more inclined to 1/4 the car. This gives us more data.

As it stands The rs4 is the quickest on pump and quickest withi supported mods. The S4 has the edge in mods with the addition of race gas as the NA rs4 isn’t going to pick up as much with race gas as the S4 will

in the end the B5 is dead. It takes a Stage 3 B5 to even keep up with a lightly modded RS4 or S4. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL TALKINGA BOUT… LONG LIVE THE B7 and 8 rulers.

[richib86]

What the fuck happened to ths thread…

both cars have there advantages. why are we agrunig again…

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

ok 3 mods tune intake exhaust. 12.2
RS4 tune exhaust your in the same place… altho RS4s do this on pump gas not race.

A all modded up B8 with exhaust tune pulley intake race gas LW this LW that is going to get you 12.1-11.8 ish…
A all modded up RS4 with exhaust tune clutch LW this LW That is going to get you between 12.4-12.2 ish but this is on pump gas.

Both cars are close if you want to get past that on the RS4 its going to cost you for the best kit JHM 8k and then your really getting deep into the 11s

On the B8 if you want to get past the 11.8 do you really think its going to be 8k for the Stage 3 blower

Clearly the B8 is inpressive thats why we love it… in some respects the RS4 has its appeal. You don’t need race gas and you can get only a few mods to make them fast. The B8 only needs a few mods but your going to need race gas

The B8s on the 1/4 way out weigh the rs4s due to the owenrs being much more inclined to 1/4 the car. This gives us more data.

As it stands The rs4 is the quickest on pump and quickest withi supported mods. The S4 has the edge in mods with the addition of race gas as the NA rs4 isn’t going to pick up as much with race gas as the S4 will

in the end the B5 is dead. It takes a Stage 3 B5 to even keep up with a lightly modded RS4 or S4. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL TALKINGA BOUT… LONG LIVE THE B7 and 8 rulers.

http://www.sparksportconditioning.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/group-hug.jpg

[Auditude3.0T]

What the fuck happened to ths thread…

both cars have there advantages. why are we agrunig again…

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

ok 3 mods tune intake exhaust. 12.2
RS4 tune exhaust your in the same place… altho RS4s do this on pump gas not race.

A all modded up B8 with exhaust tune pulley intake race gas LW this LW that is going to get you 12.1-11.8 ish…
A all modded up RS4 with exhaust tune clutch LW this LW That is going to get you between 12.4-12.2 ish but this is on pump gas.

Both cars are close if you want to get past that on the RS4 its going to cost you for the best kit JHM 8k and then your really getting deep into the 11s

On the B8 if you want to get past the 11.8 do you really think its going to be 8k for the Stage 3 blower

Clearly the B8 is inpressive thats why we love it… in some respects the RS4 has its appeal. You don’t need race gas and you can get only a few mods to make them fast. The B8 only needs a few mods but your going to need race gas

The B8s on the 1/4 way out weigh the rs4s due to the owenrs being much more inclined to 1/4 the car. This gives us more data.

As it stands The rs4 is the quickest on pump and quickest withi supported mods. The S4 has the edge in mods with the addition of race gas as the NA rs4 isn’t going to pick up as much with race gas as the S4 will

in the end the B5 is dead. It takes a Stage 3 B5 to even keep up with a lightly modded RS4 or S4. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL TALKINGA BOUT… LONG LIVE THE B7 and 8 rulers.

Agreed. The B8 S4 and B7 RS4 are both such awesome cars. Cars that we thought would never do what they’re doing especially with the mentality B5 owners used to have.

One thing- My dads car ran a 12.2 on pump 93 with just a tune, stock pulley, catback and roc intake and i ran a 12.1@115.8 on pump 93 on stock 19’s and some bolt ons. So the B8 does very good on pump gas as well.

[Auditude3.0T]

What the fuck happened to ths thread…

both cars have there advantages. why are we agrunig again…

Cool, if you put 20k into an RS4 it runs mid to low 11’s.

The B8 S4 doesn’t need a bunch of bolt ons. My dads Revo car went 12.2 with tune, exhaust intake and 12.4 tune only and once we hit the strip with his new setup it’ll be doing even better.

ok 3 mods tune intake exhaust. 12.2
RS4 tune exhaust your in the same place… altho RS4s do this on pump gas not race.

A all modded up B8 with exhaust tune pulley intake race gas LW this LW that is going to get you 12.1-11.8 ish…
A all modded up RS4 with exhaust tune clutch LW this LW That is going to get you between 12.4-12.2 ish but this is on pump gas.

Both cars are close if you want to get past that on the RS4 its going to cost you for the best kit JHM 8k and then your really getting deep into the 11s

On the B8 if you want to get past the 11.8 do you really think its going to be 8k for the Stage 3 blower

Clearly the B8 is inpressive thats why we love it… in some respects the RS4 has its appeal. You don’t need race gas and you can get only a few mods to make them fast. The B8 only needs a few mods but your going to need race gas

The B8s on the 1/4 way out weigh the rs4s due to the owenrs being much more inclined to 1/4 the car. This gives us more data.

As it stands The rs4 is the quickest on pump and quickest withi supported mods. The S4 has the edge in mods with the addition of race gas as the NA rs4 isn’t going to pick up as much with race gas as the S4 will

in the end the B5 is dead. It takes a Stage 3 B5 to even keep up with a lightly modded RS4 or S4. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL TALKINGA BOUT… LONG LIVE THE B7 and 8 rulers.

http://www.sparksportconditioning.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/group-hug.jpg

Epic pic lol