How are they on enforcing the roll bar rules these days? I know it usually depends on the day, but on days when it’s pretty empty and easy to keep track of cars would they care a lot?
There was one guy named Billy who enforced the cage rule all the time. I got my cage in the GTR mostly because of him (and I would need one anyway).
He’s gone now - and they are pretty cool as long as you show you can drive the car straight. If they see any loss of traction - they will kick you out after the first pass (if you are under 11.5).
That and NHRA rules changed for roll cages if you have an 08 or newer car.
I was saying ‘there’s ramsamy’. Basically I was wondering where this guy in his Charger went, but then I saw him sitting in the stands. I don’t know his name…just made one up.
I also know that I talk to myself a lot at the dragstrip when I’m in the car. I always laugh when I watch the videos back.
Lol that’s awesome.
I was trying to decipher. Got “There’s peps ameed”
So I was looking through my spreadsheet of previous 1/4 mile times in the RS4 (I have all my passes in there with every piece of info on the timeslip from data/time to 60/330/660/mph/1320/mph…and yes,I realise I’m a nerd for doing that) and thought I’d post some comparisons
First, I have tossed out all passes where I missed a shift…or left ESP on…or completely blew the launch…or was just making a shakedown where I cruised after an easy launch. So it takes me down from 71 passes to 55 when I was stock. Here’s the average data:
AVG STOCK
60’ - 1.90
1/8 - 8.38 @ 84.02
1/4 - 13.00 @ 107.50
AVG WITH EXHAUST
60’ - 1.84 (0.06 better)
1/8 - 8.14 @ 87.40 (0.24 / 3.38 better)
1/4 - 12.64 @ 109.46 (0.36 / 1.96 better)
Significant difference on the averages. Granted some of the STOCK runs were shit DA, whereas the FULL JHM EXHAUST runs were all in decent-above average DA. So what if we take all 10 FULL JHM EXHAUST runs and average them out compared to the averages of the 10 best runs when I was stock? This is heavily skewed in favour of the stock runs, as we’re choosing the 10 best out of 55 passes…whereas in the modified data, we’re just taking the 10 full passes that were run without ESP on.
AVG 10 BEST STOCK
60’ - 1.85
1/8 - 8.25 @ 85.06
1/4 - 12.84 @ 108.04
AVG FIRST 10 PASSES WITH FULL JHM EXHAUST
60’ - 1.84 (0.01 better)
1/8 - 8.14 @ 87.40 (0.11 / 2.34 better)
1/4 - 12.64 @ 109.46 (0.20 / 1.42 better)
Even when we skew the hell out of the delta in favour of the STOCK runs (10 best out of 55 vs. using all 10 out of 10 modded) it’s still a considerable delta of 2 full tenths and 1.5 MPH.
Being a little more fair to the modded times, if we took the 5 best STOCK vs. 5 best MODDED, here’s how it looks…
AVG 5 BEST STOCK
60’ - 1.85
1/8 - 8.22 @ 85.18
1/4 - 12.79 @ 108.30
AVG 3 BEST WITH EXHAUST
60’ - 1.81 (0.04 better)
1/8 - 8.08 @ 87.96 (0.14 / 2.78 better)
1/4 - 12.57 @ 109.93 (0.22 / 1.63 better)
AGAIN…considerable delta, even though again it still favours stock in every way (conditions, number of attempts etc).
All around, knowing this data, it’s going to be pretty hard for anyone with a brain in their head to argue against the gains made by the JHM catted downpipes + JHM resonated catback on a stock RS4.
Sorry - but to legitimize that data, I will need to see a few dyno charts. ;D
For real, though, there’s no denying the gains. Pretty awesome. I wish the exhausts for the B8 performed similarly.
The AZ thread proves a few things
- ZMON is now officially a ZMORON. The moron just doesn’t get that JHM doesn’t post dyno results not because their own results can be fudged…but because making a dyno result acceptable proof to sell performance parts by opens the doors to other companies to fudge their results. Jake and about 10 people just fucking explained this to you, yet you’re still yammering on that JHM neednt worry about fudging their dyno results.
JHM has an EXCELLENT reputation for delivering on these 4.2 cars. They set the industry standard over here. Far more than any other company on earth. They have nothing to gain by lowering the standard to validate a fucking dyno plot. So smarten the fuck up ZMORON. You look like a dumb asshole in that thread. He’s a bit of a passive aggressive moron though, so he will likely contact Jake and apologize and then edit his posts. Fortunately, we will quote him to preserve his idiocy for eternity.
[quote=ZMORON]Jake,
were arguing for additional data…
your saying that additional data (dyno) is easily fudge able and inaccurate. then your sucking the tit of a customers vid as your exhaust performance baseline not knowing anything about the car setup, tire pressure, and every other variable that day… JHM was not at the track.
this 1/4 run could have been fudged as well!! (i sure it was not, becuase saki is known for good data)
but your knock against the dyno and why your company does not provide one is because it can be manipulated… NEWS FLASH so can a 1/4 mile time!
[/quote]
hey ZMORON…if you can fudge a 1/4 mile time I would love to see it. Knowing the ‘burden of proof’ we are referring to is on the tuning companies, go ahead and show me a fudged 1/4 mile video where your track weapon runs something special. Bear in mind any time JHM makes a great 1/4 mile pass, they video it from multiple angles, and have no cut videos showing the car, interior, wheels, tires afterwards…so all those ‘they can be faked!’ claims are out the window. Let’s see it now bigshot. Show us how a 1/4 mile time can be faked.
Here’s a great example of what JHM does. There are these videos that we see…and full 5 minute long videos where the camera just rolls and waits for the car to come out of the return lane. Newsflash again…it’s easy to make gains and great results when you know what you’re doing. It’s a lot harder to fake a quarter mile video. JHM does it the ‘easy’ way.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/audi-s4-jhm-11-sec-run_145939.htm
2l That whole crew of dumb assholes is chatting on their iphones giggling about how great they’re doing trolling JHM. BaddriverRS4, daytona-lyingmachine-RS4, Flying Shitberg, ZMORON, SHOCKERVT and S4Saloon are all east coast track day geeks who love to jerk each other off online. Get a fucking brain already. Bunch of ham fisted clowns.
3 S4 Saloon is a piece of work - he just said the RS4 is too highly strung from the factory to produce gains with bolt ons that ‘aren’t embarrassing’. Ummm…how about 35-45 WHP for tune + full exhaust shit-for-brains?
He also said the exhaust alone wouldn’t do much and you would need a tune. Funny, because I didn’t.
These same losers all complained that JHM tune + exhaust cars that dyno’d +40 whp were getting all the gains from the exhaust and JHM should provide tune only dyno because the tune doesn’t do anything.
So which is it dickbreath…is the tune providing the gains? or the exhaust? because so far you morons have basically said it’s neither. So when multiple independant customers go to multiple independant dynos and gain 11-13% power (35-45 WHP) from JHM tune + full exhaust SOME FUCKING THING is making the gains.
This is the same moron that said improving your reaction time can influence your 1/4 mile results. Moron. Just get out.
Now this moron is back on the ‘where are the gains made’.
I guess they have resigned themselves to the fact the exhaust makes gains. That’s a start.
But now they want to see a dyno of my stock tuned car…which has a torque limit below 5600 rpm , and keeps the throttle closed at 52% until 5600…
That will be great!
Do these idiots think this is a turbo 1.8 that is only going to make gains from 6500 to redline? You can tell they know fuck all about v8s…I have never seen a full exhaust that produced performance gains on a V8 but only made gains in a small part of the curve
Zmon is a fuckin tool. That dude just jumped straight on the bandwagon and has no idea what he’s talking about. All those guys have the same mentality…“all companies should be sucking our dicks cause we drive an rs4” and “let me tell you how much Hp my car makes while I jack off all over the hood because I’m too scared to put miles on my car.”
They always want the opposite of what info is given to them…“dynos are too easily manipulated…where’s the 1/4 mile.”…“well, wait…1/4 mile is not enough info, where is the dyno chart?”
Also, FT starting the x-pipe vs h-pipe thread when that has literally been proven over and over the x-pipe is better all around.
In FT’s defense there’s no information anywhere on AZ that proves the benefit of an X pipe on an rs4
Yeah I suppose you’re right on that, but the RS4 and S4 motors are not THAT much different that an H-pipe is suddenly going to be better…
Totally… Flyingtrollmamattows is either showing how fucking stupid he is or he should never be part of any conversation anyone would take seriously…the x pipe debate was over about 10 years ago…let people like flying dumbshit and the others drive real guys looking for answers here. Guys like him can only look stupid for so long before people have enough and just realize that his posts and opinions are a joke…
But but but, some of us have engineer minds and love looking at quantifiable data on dyno sheets. Throw that actual quantifiable acceleration data out the window.
I can’t even stand to read what those idiots write. They contradict themselves every other post and love to look like fools.
They’re just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Almost every recent thread over there that wasn’t about photos, wheels, LEDs, and coffee table books has gone the same way.
And what the hell happened to zmon? I could have sworn a few years ago I read some of his posts and they had some good info. Now he’s just a babbling idiot.
Simple. He met Badbluers4, gibsonl and flying tomatoes at a track day.
That’s all it takes.
If you look in the thread, his first post is something like “congrats saki and jhm. Great results great driving”
Then later he realises that the band of merry idiots isn’t just targeting jhm supercharger threads to promote flying tomatoes pro apr/anti jhm agenda…they’re going after absolutely anything from jhm…and he jumps in on the gangrape of jake .
Not that this would matter to anyone here, but it’s pretty common knowledge to the guys who track RS4’s that the grip of PSS’s are superior to that of a majority of street tires. That’s the reason it’s the street tire of choice prior to going to r comps for track days. So to assume it had 0 impact on the 1/4 seems like a large assumption, but what do I know. No, I’m not assuming it accounting for all the gains. Just simply saying you can’t assume it accounted for 0 gains. Carry on!
Thanks for the compliments.
Sorry the only place you can seemingly make try and a difference in your life is on audi forums!
I meant what i said in the beginning of that thread… but then could not help continuing the way i did.
I wasn’t aware of how JHM started and differentiated themselves in a market where there were lying cheating companies selling to audi owners… thanks Axel for pointing that out.
I understand why JHM does what they do after that (congrats to them for growing a small business!!)
It was just great to see we could spark such reaction out of you guys… so funny! even to the point where you had to bring the discussion here and start name calling!
your a stand up guy! Keep that computer screen armor on, because im sure this is not how you act in the real world!
I can’t speak for Sakimano nor the PSS tires as I’ve never run them. However, in my own personal experience, I had more difficulties launching with my stickier summers than my performance winters. The stickier summers would cause the car to bog and I was having a hard time adjusting both launch rpm and tire pressure. I’d go from bogging to tire hopping. On my performance winters, I would get that perfect amount of slip.
I now have full winter tires and I won’t even attempt to launch on those though. Just on the street, the tires slip throughout 1st gear.
Maybe I just need more experience launching on stickier tires…
I think it would be interesting to compare an average of Saki’s runs done on PSS’s + stock setup vs his PSS + exhaust setup runs.
Why couldn’t you help continuing?