lol nice try. You were talking on AZ about dynoing like 580 whp or something. You think because you didn’t post it here, it doesn’t count?
p.s. I noticed you have not addressed the topic at hand…rather you are diverting attention from the absolute disconnect between EPL tuned car dyno results and their 1/4 mile performance. Any chance of you staying on topic? Or sexican? Or anyone?
I would love to hear some theories.
waterfest will suck. It’ll be 110 degrees, there will be 4 billion cars in staging, and you’ll run terrible times relative to your car’s true capability. It will be cool to see you face Hunter’s car though. Even though he’ll be limited to probably 450 whp vs. your 580 whp.
I am on topic. How many epl cars are in your sample.
It will be cool, and hunter and I won’t avoid racing each other. You are painting a picture that isn’t true. It will happen before the track. It will happen the week I get home.
I can’t speak for anyone else. I have only been a tial car for like 3 months and in those months, I haven’t had the privledge to see a track. And in March, April, May (here in WA it rains). The TnT happen on Wednesday and Fridays and both days I have to work. I’m just waiting for a nice sunday day where it’s not raining to go to the track and just make a few passes.
And when I finally get to run, don’t forget this will be my 2nd time ever to a track…
are you kidding? I explained this explicitly and then even screen shot the 2 epl times for you.
thats cool dude, looking forward to it
any thoughts on why the EPL tuned big hp cars aren’t on the list? Not your car…you have your reasons. I mean the hundreds of other EPL cars in general.
Diddn’t see the last one. So out of 150 cars there are only two epl cars that are even entered? Come on man, you can’t make assumptions off of that…
My story is the same as Sexican. I’ve made efforts to show you I am going and I’ve had the car for 2 weeks.
there are only two, yes.
I think you’re missing the point though…the B5 list stops at low 12s. That’s where the EPL times stop too.
What are the Tial EPL tuned times you know of?
burning coals - mid 12s
some other 605 guy the same night - 12.2 @ 119 or 120
then there was an AMD K04 and K04/RS6 hybrid that night…and they were slower still.
So sure, I could put those times in for you. Then there would still be zero EPL tuned cars under 11.999 (just NYCVR6 and his K04 car with an EPL tune that he tweaked himself…i.e. not really an EPL tune).
Trust me, I’ve asked this question here, on AZ, on quattrofail, on audiworld…and I can’t get EPL times in the 11s.
Call the EPL guy himself and ask him for some Audi times that he knows of and can link us to or at least give me something to search from.
I am not missing the point. That is an unfair sample dude. I am saying you cant come to a conclusion by such a small sample. That’s unfair Saki. You have to understand/admit that it isn’t sufficient to conclude anything for sure. As far as NYC’s tune goes, yes, he may have tweaked it, but EPL did the main tune. You can only tweak in so much so don’t write it off because of that.
Honestly, even if I asked, I don’t think they would go and ask their customers to give them timeslips. It isn’t worth their time. It’s just the way it is. That doesn’t mean you can conclude off of having less than %4 of the cars be from EPL being in your list. I would think you could just rather conclude that people who have EPL tunes don’t go to the strip or post on-line. Those assumptions seem more feasible.
He doesn’t get it
I get it, you think that all 6 cars should have done better and you think the driver variable doesn’t count.
no i think he does, and from what I can see/tell from the WA guys, they just don’t go to the track.
The point is that plenty of guys over the years with epl cars went to the strip…and like the Washington crew they buried the times and didn’t post up the slip or share it with the forum. Those guys tried to hide but NYC vr6 beat it out of Jason in that thread on AudiZine…and even then he just released trap speeds and another dude who was there coughed up the et for each car.
Saying this isn’t a big enough sample size is like saying that because Malaysia doesn’t have any gold medals at the olympics is because there isn’t a large enough sample size. No they’re trying…they’re just not winning!!!
He didn’t have to beat it out of him. Jason said it willingly. Now what you are doing is forcing an assumption onto a set of data that doesn’t show that. Seriously, until you can prove somethig you can’t go around saying it like its the. Old truth “king” you should be called “the king of inconvenient could-be truths” or “truths according to my theories”. Let’s stop the assuming and start the proving. Go uncover 30 time slips from EPL cars (hopefully for your sake they’re all horrible times) and then you’ll be in business. Until then, stop the barely-backed claims and call-outs.
I love how you can’t possibly stay on topic. It must burn the shit out of you.
the title of the thread is WHERE ARE ALL THE FAST EPL 1/4 MILE TIMES?
Here’s the AZ thread where the EPL tuned AMD built stage III crew was all set to light the world on fire at the dragstrip…then buried their timeslips in shame.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/428412-Tial-605s-vs-KO4s-video-inside/page4
People can decide if the washington boys were forthcoming or not. They promised live updates and timeslips…one guy posted that none had run yet, but an old domestic drag car just trapped 200mph…and then radio silence.
Then a dozen or so posts of 'updates? ‘really? nothing yet?’? Then just trap speeds sputtered out by Jason a day later. He knew mentioning the ET for each car would get questioned. So he didn’t. Four different AMD cars from K04 to 605 to 770, all EPL tuned, all ran terrible times 12+ including some mediocre to terrible trap speeds considering some of the dyno numbers these cars flashed around.
They never posted the slips. They were asked, but they never did. This is S.O. for these EPL tuned cars. They talk a big dyno game…they talk a big fats game…they say they’re going to the strip…they flop…then their keyboard bursts into flames and they don’t post any further info. Don’t you think that’s kind of odd? You really think that of all the forums, and all the EPL tuned cars, the guys are just modestly not posting their great times and we need to go chase them down? lol.
AHHH MY KEYBOARD CAUGHT ON FIRE AND NOW MY WHOLE ROOM IS ON FIRE WHAT CAN I DOO!!! OH NOOO!
Get real, Saki. How about you stop addressing just one point of my post and get me those 30 cars.
To address what you said below. Lets get a few things straight. The 770 3.0L car, when it went to the track had just put down barely over 600whp. Don’t try and pull “Well this is a dyno sheet from it and it made more, blah blah blah I know everything” Thats what it did before it went PERIOD. The rest of the gang starting with the 605 car was in the 460ish range and below. The K04 car was around 400 even. Now, before you start getting your defense post rolling let me say this: No one has ever denied that the day AMD went was a flop. No one drove well and the times/traps reflected it. As I have said before we know that the 770 car missed shifts on every run, most of them were 1-2 and 3-4. Which can be called an excuse (most likely what you will call it) or its an explination (really what happend…??) I know this is your favorite B5 story to tell BUT, it doesn’t represent EPL tuning on a whole. You can try to argue that, but until you have a good amount of data, your just another keyboard king trying to push his theories.
I hope to see you soon and yell at each other then we will have a nice beer with hunter.
Jason isn’t one to be quick on responding. It took him 8 months to get me my car and the engine was already built. He posted it willingly dude. If he didn’t he could have waited for someone else to find out about it and he would have not cared at all if thats how it spread. He isn’t the type of guy to decieve, trying to trick the world. I knew every good and bad thing that was going on. He was more than fair to me, never lied, told me excatly what was what.
Sorry dude.
And considering you don’t have EPL times, maybe that means people don’t care to post or they aren’t going to a 1/4 mile. Seems pretty simple to me. I have seen people post up crappy times a lot. And though you may have some validity in your claim to people being less inclined to post, that doesn’t mean you can assume they’re all slow. A+B does not = C , you can’t just assume.
not even reading the rest because it’s useless to bother since you haven’t addressed the OP at any time here…but I will quote this to show how insane you are.
‘barely over 600 whp’ (referring to the car that went mid 12s @ 128)
You act like that’s nothing, thus his times/trap speed are understandable. Here’s a newsflash:
That’s Ferrari Enzo power.
That’s Koeniggseggeggeggg power.
That’s Reventon power.
That’s 50 whp MORE than full bolt on GTR power.
That’s 50 whp MORE than Ferrari 599GTO power.
That’s 100 whp MORE than tuned 5.5 TT CLS63 power.
This is why you guys are confused and accepting of these failures…you are brainwashed by the success/failure benchmark set by other EPL cars based on numbers provided by the tuner. You act like 500 whp cars run high 11s @ 120. You act like 600 whp cars trapping around 130 is fantastic.
Once you open your eyes to what other cars are accomplishing at the dragstrip and what those cars are dynoing elsewhere, you’ll start to have an appreciation for the skepticism levied EPL’s way when their cars do FAR WORSE while dynoing FAR MORE. Until then, you will be playing with your head in the clouds.
Nope never denied it was a horrible run. I believe I actually said it was. I’m saying it’s not enough evidence for your conclusions. It’s one track visit dude, with people who have never been there nor launched. It’s not
Enough. If I go and I am wrong, I will admit. I hope you admit you were wrong about AMD/EPL and not just say “oh well, it should be doing that anyways”
No, Saki, you would owe them apology for the multiple posts where you say they can’t tune. Because your posts would be wrong. I’m leaving this discussion with this.
You have insufficient evidence sir, sorry I don’t agree with your theory.