Bwahahaha.
thread’s going well so far. 16 replies, and zero quarter mile times. Just a lot of bitching about how these cars aren’t made for the dragstrip etc and of course uber-dickhead peter1.8T trolling a B6 A4 owner (ironically, his username reveals that Peter was an A4 owner 5 minutes ago before buying his 14 second B5 S4). Classic.
haha, thats funny what did I sign? When did he make 700whp?
I have a 109 + meth tune that is dialed in, and then the Q16 +meth file that I might need to have a revision or two with (never was dyno tuned). I don’t have the dyno sheets, and I want to post up dyno sheets from another dyno so no one can claim any B.S. Which is good, because it gives me time to get to the strip to have strip numbers before I post up dyno numbers.
Screw the dyno
Who cares how paper fast it is??? Dyno is for tuning (and selling stuff to noobs).
A number is a number. The dyno is a tuning tool. I have never denied that.
Yea not sure where he was trying to go with that… I think it’s a good idea, but Tweet I don’t think anyone is going to post a good time, they would have already. Not saying EPL is a bad company, I just don’t think anyone has run any good 1/4 mile times with their setups.
^^^I asked him to start the thread. I didn’t ask for the petty vitriol, but what can you do…can’t control artists.
Let’s have an open forum thread at least where we can see what is in fact out there. I think we’ll end up seeing a couple more high 11s times from EPL cars, but this thread will hopefully shine a light on what I’ve been trying to explain to tweets for 6 months. This way his own B5 brethren will tell him.
I like how peter1.8T (another AMD/EPL nutswinger who will never admit the companies are underperforming) thinks its ridiculous to compare burningcoals’ 650 whp car (750-800 crank hp) to other cars with 750-800 crank hp cars.
[quote=peter1.8T]Comparing Burningcoals car to a veyron and other supercars had me laughing hard. It seems he is vastly uneducated on any matter of motor sports, though he might think otherwise.
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What the fuck does ‘uneducated on any matter of motor sports’ mean? Are we talking about motorsports? Or are we talking abou a simple acceleration test? Little kid is trying to sound all edumacated.
Anyway, that’s a classic example…these guys don’t want to compare these monster hp EPL tuned cars to similar benchmarks…because they fail to meet the benchmarks. Look at gurus car…it ran mid 10s @ 140 mph making the SAME power as burningcoals. His power to weight ratio was similar to/slightly better than a Ferrari Enzo…and guess what…he would have beaten a Ferrari Enzo. His power to weight ratio was slightly worse than a Bugatti Veyron, and guess what, his time was slightly worse than a Bugatti Veyron (ET was however MPH was very close to the Veyron). You can compare all of these modified cars (Z vettes, modded mustangs, modded AMG cars, modded M cars, modded Audis) to existing supercars and find very regularly that the 1/4 mile results line up nicely. With these EPL cars being the gigantic exception.
Saki,
I think you are failing really understand “why” and making up your own assumption as to why. I understand you see the small select few EPL car as “flops” at the track. But knowing some of the guys with their cars as tuned as they are (one of the AMD K04 cars) he isn’t a very skilled 1/4 drag running, as I’m including myself.
I don’t think it’s fair to conclude that just because a car produces 500+ power automatically means the car will be running 10’s (or 11’s or whatever you feel it SHOULD be running).
If you don’t read AZ, take a look at AMC’s post on the matter. He hits it pretty square on the head! If you need me to quote it here, I can do that too…
As for AMC’s post, I saw it. He was explaining how a 500 whp EPL tuned Tial car ran 13.something @ 113 mph. Explaining that ET can vary wildly. I sort of agree…however we’re not really talking about ET. We’re talking about trap speeds…and 500 whp cars don’t trap 113 whp. Ever.
I think it’s because I have enough experience at the dragstrip to know that it doesn’t matter if you’re a shit driver or a great driver or just a guy who likes performance cars. Your trap speed doesn’t vary by 10-15 mph unless something catastrophic happens to you. NYCVR6 and others with a lot of passes will attest. If you’re in a car that makes power enough to trap 130, and you launch like a noob and then granny shift, you’re not trapping 115.
I have made 150 passes in my Audis. How many have you made in yours? Remember the good runs vs. the terrible runs…then look at the gap between the trap speeds. Tell me if you’ve EVER seen a 10-15mph gap in trap speeds without giving up on the run.
Here have a good look at this. This is a dozen or so passes I made at the dragstrip. On 2 of these runs I fucked up the launch. One time I left ESP on, one time I rolled too early starting the clock early. On one of these runs I completely missed 4th gear, revved the engine in neutral to the rev limiter, bounced off it, then hit fourth gear and got back on it. On one of the runs I completely missed second gear, and did the same routine as when I missed 4th. In fact I quit for like a full second…then remembered I was up against bangoman and his B6 S4 and didn’t want to lose, so I got back into it lol.
Tell me if you can figure out, by trap speed alone, which runs were the really fucked up ones.
12.75 @ 108.3, 1.83 60’
12.77 @ 108.2, 1.85 60’
12.79 @ 108.2, 1.85 60’
12.81 @ 107.7, 1.84 60’
12.82 @ 108.0, 1.83 60’ (vs. the C63 AMG 13.7 @ 110.6)
12.90 @ 107.2, 1.88 60’ (vs. B8 S4 GIAC 91 TUNE…he ran 12.92 @ 109.8)
12.90 @ 107.4, 1.86 60’
12.97 @ 106.4, 1.87 60’
12.98 @ 105.2, 1.86 60’ (vs AMG C63 13.8 @ 111.6, 2.4 60’)
13.07 @ 106.9, 2.01 60’
13.10 @ 105.4, 1.90 60’ (vs. APR stage II B8 S4 on race gas 12.27 @ 113.0)
13.46 @ 105.3 , 1.83 60’
I have done 2 runs ever. one at 13.5x the other at 13.9x (with a passenger, yes I know I shouldn’t have had one)
I didn’t get a slip for the 13.9 and I’d need to find the 13.5 one. I don’t know what my 60’ or mph were…
I’m not defending any of them since they are not my car or me driving, I can only say from what I know about me and my car. My car has yet to see a strip since the turbo install and i’m really not going to the strip to try and become worlds fastest stock motor 605 car, let along to try and please Saki. i’m only going because I would like to see what I can do with my car.
I’m just tired of reading all of your posts about how shitty EPL tuned cars are based off their 1/4 times. it just getting old…
Congrats on your car doing 12’s
So what the fuck are you talking about then Sexican? How do you make statements like this then admit that you know very little abotu the quarter mile?
[quote=sexican]This is where I think some people don’t understand that just because a car makes 500+ wheelHP doesn’t mean the 1/4 mile time will match exactly. You said it very well AMC. If this was AR I’d give you a Karma point!
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None of what AMC said had anything to do with why a 500 whp car trapped 113. He explained why it ET’d 13.X.
This is what you guys who don’t ever hit the strip don’t seem to grasp…the MPH will show what kind of power the car is making relative to other cars with same gearing. It won’t show how he launched or how he shifted etc. The ET shows that.
Look at my 13 times above. The disastrous time was 3.0 mph slower than the fastest ever stock RS4 timeslip. 3.0. Not 10. Granted this car is only making 320-330 whp, and not 500, but do you really think it is possible for a car that traps 113 or 120 or 128 to be 15 mph slower just because the driver isn’t awesome? I’m asking sincerely.
I hear lots of you guys arguing without much understanding of analyzing 1/4 mile times…much less seat time at the strip. When I hear guys like SnowTrooper or NYCVR6 or Count Vohn or Cabracco…all guys with hundreds of passes under their belt…they’re all wondering ‘why are the trap speeds so low for these EPL mega whp cars?’. They’re not saying ‘it’s because jimmy isn’t a very good driver’ or ‘jimmy didn’t power shift’. They know that in a car where a good driver would trap 140, jimmy should trap at least 136-137 if he has 2-3 cracks at it. Not 128.
What do you wish to run at the track?
There has been a slip posted. Can you update the data please.
which one? I saw a red x, no modlist, no mention of the driver (posted by an EPL employee)
unless there’s another one?If you see it post it in the quarter mile update thread and make sure it follows the rules. Please also get the info from the Tial 650 car that went 13.X @ 113 mph so we can add it to the list.
p.s. was gearhead’s time a fully built 770 time that went 11.6 @ 129? no timeslip = no list, but just wondering what setup that was.
It was KO4s I can get the slip and post it here later. I will try to get slips but you have to understand we are trying to dig into the past and not everyone keeps their slips. We either include times no matter OR only with slips. The KO4 car ran a 11.646 @120 No meth and racegas I believe, but I havent gotten a confirmation yet.
http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt50/02Avantimola/quater%20mile/fa01ea7d.jpg
only times with full time slips (not a cropped picture of just the times) should be accepted, and beyond that a supporting slip should be provided (similar et/trap, same date, same track, same car number)
here’s the rules tweets. I know we’re digging into the past, but it was waterfest 2011. Should have all the info available to make it eligible to add to the list.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=842.0
Nobody gets on the list without a reasonable amount of proof, as well as full disclosure of mods. Traditionally that means 2 timeslips, certified tracks, video would help, full modlist and driver identity (username) must be shared as well.
I’m sure whoever ran 11.6 also posted up a timeslip and a thread on AZ somewhere. If the driver is identiified I’m sure all the info will be there.
[quote]If you want to be added, we need you to post up a few things, including your modlist for interest’s sake, the date/time/track, as well as 2 timeslips, or a video of the run in question.
- if you ran 13.0, 13.5 and 13.8, we’re just going to add your 13.0 run to the list
- if you go the next week and run 12.9, with the same modlist, we’ll update to your new time
- if you change a couple of parts, and go again and run a faster time, we’ll add that time to the list (leaving your initial time in tact).
non-certified dragstrips will also not be added. Basically only results from a proper dragstrip with standardized/certified timing systems will be included. Examples of runs that will not be included:
- pbox quarter mile times - should be self explanatory
- temporary airstrip type dragstrip event times - there are lots of these in Europe as they unfortunately don’t have many proper dragstrips. Including them is tough because they often calculate trap speed differently and rely on GPS or radar gun devices etc. That’s not really fair to compare to times that were run on a certified track with controls etc. on the timing and track setup. i.e. someone who goes to say Santa Pod in England, an IHRA certified track with full on 60’, 330’, 1/8, 1/8mph, 1000’, 1/4 and 1/4 mph timeslips.
It would also be preferred if someone could post video of a significant time, as well as two of their timeslips from the track. A photo of the car at the strip with the grease paint numbers on the window would also help validation. Not that anyone here is going to pull any fast ones, but we can’t forget that people like kevkev etc. are out there, so we have to be dilligent in protecting the integrity of this list.
When you post up your times either here, or in your respective platform’s subforum, remember to include as much info about the run as possible i.e.:
tune
downpipes/catback
octane of the fuel you used
power adder on your car (if stock, say so i.e. B5 S4 K03 or B8 S4 TVSr1320…and if you’re a B5 with K04/RS6 hybrids, make note. If you’re an NA car with a supercharger setup, give as much info as you can about the kit and the power adder )
boost/shot (if you’re a boosted car and know the peak boost, post it up. If you’re running nitrous, post the jet size)
other mods (intake mani? lw rotors? FMIC/SMIC? etc.)
other info (any weight reduction done? tire size? density altitude if you know it…however DA corrected times are never going on this list, but it is always interesting to know in extreme cases if a car ran at say -1000 feet, or +6000 feet)
Lastly, this database is fun, and a little competitive, but it’s also VERY educational about what the cars with various mods are capable of. If you go to the strip, even if you run a mediocre time, post it up. Gathering data is the chief reason we have this list, and it’s always great to be able to do relevant comparisons.
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Why isn’t D Lo a member here? Someone on AZ gets it.
[quote=D Lo]It appears there is a lot of focus on elapsed time which is indeed greatly affected by driver mod. The first 60 to 100 ft can make or break a good ET. The questions from others who are wanting to see the bigger built cars’ track runs are looking at MPH. There are other variables that can affect mph, but it will generally tell you how much power the car is making. A lot of this can be dissected from a time slip. There are all kinds of measurement tools for gauging a car’s performance. Different strokes for different folks, but if 1/4 miles don’t make sense to the offending posters, post in other threads and please keep this on topic. I’m interested in all the data I can get for our platforms.
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