So I was a fool because I made the exact same power with epl as I do with apr, if anything I’ll admit I was a fool to spend 650 to not gain 1 hp
Dont forget…
1/ Primetime has tried to help you. So there’s that. So don’t be such a dumb dickhead and quit burning bridges.
2/ Primetime has like 7,000 miles on his 4 year old B8 S4 (yes, 7,000) and 6,600 of those miles were run on RACE FUEL on the RACE FUEL tune…in other words he almost never runs the APR 93 tune, and certainly doesn’t log it or give much of a shit about the parameters.
So, it makes total sense that, from his perspective, the ignition timing angle parameters weren’t a big deal in the log you sent him. He is used to looking at his race+ tune that APR has developed for the guys who run better fuel than the OTS 100 tune.
Saxon/Saxoff everyone, and I mean EVERYONE on this forum told you so. Told you long ago. This is not a jap car with a super basic ECU that needs custom parameters for a complicated, one-off big turbo setup modlist…this is a German car with a highly sophisticated ECU, and some highly UNsophisticated modifications (pulley, exhaust) to account for, thus custom is bullshit. Good to see you finally figured out that dealing with a bullshit one-man show who doesn’t have time for Audis because he’s too busy making the slowest custom 911 tunes doesn’t make sense when you’re getting lapped by the OTS APR/GIAC guys. Just a shame that you didn’t listen to the only people who told you this inevitability before spending your money and time chasing Tony around.
I have no problem with ron, nor most the people here
However, can’t you see that the epl tune made identical power to the apr tune?
Then why did you go APR? We all know it has nothing to do with resale and you’re in denial to think that is a plausible excuse.
has anyone disputed that?
Listen, no offense to APR or anyone, but if I had the security defeating tools, I could probably make pretty similar power with an ECU tune for a B8 S4.
Close boost bypass = 90% of the gains this or any tune makes on this car. The results are nearly indistinguishable from GIAC to APR for example. Lean out AFT a hair…ramp up the timing advance a bit (but not too much) and leave the throttle alone unless there’s a restriction and WHAMMO…I’m on the leaderboard. The B8 S4 is like a turbo car in that a couple of minor adjustments earn you 90% of the gains. The last 10? Sure you can seperate yourself by being great and getting that last 10% of upside, but to be honest, there’s only one tuner who has found that 10% on the B5, B6, B7 and he can’t be bothered with the B8…so the rest of them are probably all going to be pretty competitive at 90% or so. Unless they do something weird like run mega timing while running pig rich for protection like REVO does. That will work well in ice cold -3000 DA, but on a hot summer day the car is slower than it’s peers.
The fact that you just admitted the results were indistinguishable from APR off the shelf vs. EPL custom fanciness should probably be a wake up call.
Listen Saxoff, nobody here told you that you’d be terribly slow with EPL. We told you that EPL sucks and that custom is a bullshit way to sell tunes, but is not needed. Then you lost your fucking mind lecturing us all on the beits of custom tunes (on a car with no fucking mods beyond a pulley lol). We also told you that in the past, when EPL have had to tune something, they haven’t done very well, so why on earth would you fight the current just to be different? Well, looks like you figured out everyone was right.
for the record saxoff, here’s what I said about EPL when you first started here…
Wasn’t sure if I should post here or the lol…
Epl, the “gold standard”…
Saxon ran roughly 4 tenths slower with this tune… Gold Standard! Not to mention apr tune has been out since like sept 2010 and GIAC sometime in 2011… But yeah EPL is an innovator… Good thing this newb is correcting the other tuner minions… Don’t know what we’d do without him…
I kek’d at “gold standard.” I don’t think ANYONE in this industry has ever said that about EPL.
It’s always the by guys. If we bought a Porsche I guess we might care. But it’s not a Porsche it’s an audi and so far the only gold standard epl has with the audi guys is the standard of not buying epl tunes. They don’t outperform anyone.
In my opinion if your not getting a GIAC or APR tune for the by s4. Your an idiot. Some people in foreign countries excluded and so, even restrictions apply. But seriously epl has been tested and it’s not up to par.
Anyone that starts a thread with. It’s really cheap…should already kinda be engorged. Sure I know when it comes to putting something into my car that controls the safety of it and the power of it that price should be the first concern. Insert rolled eyes here.
Look at all the learning curve issues with the revo tunes. They still are trying to figure it out from the looks of it.
The by guys here are some of the smartest on the entire net.
When people say they want to try any untested tune it’s like saying
Oh GIAC and APR have over 5 years of proven performance and the .5 cars are even harder but GIAC has it figured out and is killing it with performance and consistency. I remember what it was like when people were all having issues that needed revisions and revisions some having all kinds of issues. Yeah I want that. Who would want to pay for a proven performance track record when you can save a few bucks and let a company test on your car…
B5 guys?
The funny thing is that people think EPL is good because people tell them EPL is good.
EPL has NEVER had a fast car. I mean seriously never has put together a well sorted car. It’s always ‘look how great our dyno was! (on our in house dyno)’.
OR
'look how great our 60-130 is! (as long as we don’t have to change gears, because our driving dynamics are absolute dogshit)
The tuner is just not that good at making a car accelerate, unless it’s in a single gear, in-gear pull. Bring a gear change or two into the mix and all of a sudden nobody who owns an EPL car knows how to drive, and that’s the reason the car is so abhorrent.
AMD had a 16 PSI TVS1900 supercharger setup on a B7 RS4. We already know a well sorted B7 RS4 will run 12.2 @ 112+ with tune , bolt ons, and pump gas. AMD, tuned by EPL + TVS1900? 12.0 @ 120.
They claimed 500 whp.
Weird…because the bolt on RS4s are making 365-370 whp, and running within 2 tenths
"The driver is a ‘noob’ to the quarter mile’.
I guess he is a noob to redlight racing his buddies…which is weird, because anyone who supercharges their RS4- CORRECTION…anyone who BUYS an RS4 is a gearhead, and loves cars and was racing at red lights in their mom’s Taurus station wagon when they were 16, nevermind when they are 40 and are in their fucking RS4. So what’s the story?
AMD fired EPL and got a new tuner, and the car went 11.3 @ 125. Just the tune. Seriously, just the shitty fucking EPL tune was all they changed.
The story is that EPL sucks at tuning. They know how to tune for their dyno. And that’s about it. We have a list of about 100 of the fastest B5 S4 cars here, and there are I believe 2 EPL cars on the entire list, and the fastest is like 18th and the customer had to tweak the hell out of the tune jsut to get 18th on the list. That’s sad.
It shoudl be noted that I’ve been saying this about EPL tuning since 2011 on audizine, and 2012 here on AR. I started this thread on AZ to show the B5 morons that the Tial ‘results’ are dogshit and that not one of the EPL tuned Tial dyno superstars is even remotely succesful where it counts. Sure enough, look at the results. Fastest car was self tuned by some guy. The EPL cars were embarrassed. (Justbrowsing was an account I made to post that thread lol)
Then I renewed the quest here to show tweets that he’s fucking retarded and that EPL sucks dick.
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=485.0
After I posted that tweets tried to ‘show me up’ by rallying the troops on audizine looking for EPL 1/4 mile times to ‘shove in my face’…however all he got was tumbleweeds. He thought he found one 11 second EPL B5 S4, but it turned out the guy had switched to another tuner by the time he ran 11.XX lololol
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/488837-Calling-all-EPL-cars-that-have-been-to-the-1-4-mile
just browsing lol ;D
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/642791-epl-stage-2-1-8th-mile-time
1/2 second or so off where they should be… Seems like the apr car didn’t fair much better/worse… Da is 2700+ so that doesn’t help but still slow… 60s are horrible…
Best part is the dummies saying the times are great
Then saxon posts his time and they go nuts saying epl tune is great. The times are all terrible in the grand scheme. Bad da or not, 8.3 @ 86 is basically high 12s at 109.
Then to misdirect everyone’s attention Tony drops a teaser about flashing dsg tune at home.
Great! So now, to get mediocre tuning you don’t have to leave the house!
Yup basically the only thing epl has been consistently good at is sucking
Did saxon get his M3 yet? He’s been selling all his B8 shit on facebook.
So the EPL tuned car went again slight change in track and conditions… lol
8.366 et vs 7.921 et and 84.73 mph vs 89.96 mph
Real nice gain… Retune I wonder? Also, he went to a different track and claims DA of 1400 but I show much better for most of the day since slips don’t show time… He probably dropped 3000+ feet… lol
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/642791-epl-stage-2-1-8th-mile-time
Here’s his update…
DSG tune…
Looks like he probably had DA of -800 if dragtimes is correct - says natural bridge is right at sea level v his previous which was about +2300 ft
I give Saxon respect for writing this post, even though it’s clearly due to EPL slighting him on some $$.
Anyways, just thought it is interesting how right a lot of the people here were, despite it always turning into a pissing war.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/665017-full-epl-review?p=10986052#post10986052