Stage 1 is not disappointing- there has been a very poor sampling of GIAC cars so I wouldn’t base it off the one or two cars we’ve seen. My car moves- I have no problem sticking with Stage 2 cars, practically dead even in every run. I believe pump times have been within .1-.2 seconds between stage 2 apr and stage 1 GIAC 60-130.
I’m with bango… Unless GIAC goes with a much smaller pulley, which I am not sure would be good either the power will be very similar… Keep in mind 1fasts4 and I ran nearly identical times of 12.06 on stage 1 with intake, catback and tune… He was running AWE intake, exhaust and GIAC tune… Me running Miltek non-res, strat intake, and APR tune… I trapped higher also in a worse DA… Also, based on logs I have seen the timing is similar so w/o more boost and timing being close I just don’t see one dominating the other… It will be more about the conditions, track, or mods, etc. Just my .02
I won’t disagree overall but given the issues you have had with the bypass opening, aren’t they kind of creating a v2 of their tune to fix that? Just like APR did… I can’t comment as much on the 60-130 but at the strip other than Tyson no GIAC cars have impressed, granted not many have run… So sample size is probably too small… Hopefully, you will help change that once the strips open in the spring? 
How many giac cars have run? I only have Tysons sac times. I should add his Vegas time maybe. The other guy ran like stock but I never saw his slips.
What’s up with the lack of 1/4 runs with GIAC tunes?? ???
I’m still debating between APR and GiAC but I can guarantee you will see me in Englishtown come spring…
Saki, Can’t recall for sure but I have read of a few over the past couple years… Didn’t one run with you guys at TMP the one time?
APR was much faster to market and unless you had a reason to not buy from them I would say most of the hard core modders jumped on the tune right away… IMO these are the folks that are more likely to hit the strip…Glad you will be going either way… I can’t wait for the damn spring just so I can drive the car…
It’s pretty likely a stage II tune from any of the tuners will be the same…if the timing is reasonable. I think you could squeeze a couple degrees of timing from APR 93 or 100, if you knew you were always using good gas and gas for the right season. If GIAC takes advantage of that, there may be a tenth to gain. But so far, the tune looks like it hasn’t learned from the APR v1 issues, WRT the load map.
PT, you are indeed correct. It’s not in the database but I’m not sure why. Here’s a video, with a picture of the timeslip taken by my own hand:
12.88 @ 108.9 for the GIAC 91 car, user seinsmeld. IIRC he has since sold his car and got a 2013.
That has more to do with your shift than the software. You gain probably 0.2 seconds on a shift that I can see on the graphs. Switching the two drivers (having you drive the stage 2 car) to the other person’s car… you will see more of a difference between the two cars, especially with a lower speed start.
I agree that this will likely be the case. It would be awesome (for me especially) if the GIAC stage 2 is a huge improvement over what APR has to offer, but I would expect the overall performance to be extremely close. I haven’t driven any APR cars, but I would say that the AWE/GIAC combo on my cars feel a refined as a factory tune which is a huge plus for me. With past tunes on other cars, I often had issues with driveability etc but not this time. 8)
I wonder if it makes sense for GIAC/AWE to make a smaller pulley for 2013 DSG cars to exploit their 6500 RPM shift points. As far as I understand, current APR St.II maxes out supercharger to 7200 RPM - rev limiter of a manual B8. Theoretically smaller pulley that can max out SC already at 6500 RPM can give the same peak HP as manual B8, but better TQ lower.
Lol Tsivas…nice admission on your part. FWIW nobody’s car is as much of a VCDS log monster as yours, the flow your car produces puts both Primetimes and Bears cars to shame. What’s awesome is we have a bit of a challenge here:
The first 6MT in the 11s…who’s it gonna be?
1.) the professor: 6MT APR S2 V2 104 tune
2.) the charger: 6MT GIAC S2 with test pipes
3.) the works car: 6MT GIAC S2 ex-awe car
4.) the wildman: 6MT APR S2 V2 with headers. 492whp Eurotuner special
5.) the big shot: 6MT APR S2 V2 beta with headers
I’m gonna keep hyping this up until it happens.
6.) AA: 6mt APR stageIII ;D
What is the best 6mt time so far?
apexit hit 12.447 and in second was me with 12.465 as per the list on AZ
6.) The skunkworks car? Lol. Sure let’s throw Arin’s hat in the ring, he’s got access to the strip right now.
Feel free to join in Skid or Apexit or anyone else.
Mid 12s is a long way away from 11s. :-\
How about option 6) none ;D
Not until we have a launchable clutch/fw setup.
I want something similar to the JHM RS4 clutch/LWFW setup. God does that setup hook/grab.
(both those times were on pump fwiw)